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Team of the Week (87s) | Episode 16

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Similar to last week's Team of the Week, the Seahawks Hockey Club, the New Jersey 87s began play as a junior hockey franchise back in the 2017-18 season. However, the difference between the Seahawks and 87's is that New Jersey only had a team at the EHLP level their first year. The previous two years they've fielded teams out of both divisions (EHL and EHL), and in total, the organization has won 161 regular season games.


Adam Houli and Matthew Kiernan are both Co-Owners and Co-Coaches of the franchise, and they strongly believe that the first year in the EHLP helped develop their program the same way the division helps develop players for the EHL. Since they decided they wanted to get involved in junior hockey back in 2015, the 87's have experienced an upward progression with each and every year, and Houli credits that to the EHL being a step above the rest.

Welcome to the east show with Neil Ravn. With over onezero NCAA commitments, the ehl is the proven path to college. Turn it up and learn more about the college placement leader at the division two and three levels. Welcome in to the east show once again. My name is the o Raven. This is episode Number Sixteen, the fourth one of the offseason. What's been a very interesting offseason so far. I want to welcome in this week's guests Adam Hooie. Adam, your second time on the east show. Welcome back, hey now. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I always, always loved being part of the show and I'm in that to help promote the league. So you just finished your third year. Obviously a very abrupt and awkward way that the season ended, but now we're in April of two thousand and twenty, looking back to where you were in April of two thousand and seventeen. Are you pleased where where you've come in three years as a program yeah, I think without a doubt we are super excited as a program to watch our development from from the club side to where we are now. Obviously, in two thousand and seventeen we started in the premier division and we had aspirations and goals to get to the eastern hockey league and have two teams in the League and we made it a goal to do everything in our power to get there and that process got accelerated because of our play and I think the way we it are, the way we operated as a club then. We couldn't be more thrilled to be here now and then during our third year into the Agel and now it's just continuing to do what we do well, continue to raise the bar and make our program similar to a lot all the programs in the league, make it a staple in the eastern hockey league and the staple and junior hockey as a whole. I'm glad that you brought that up because that was my first point I wanted to talk about that first year you were just EHLP team. The two years since you've had both programs. How valuable was it in year one? I know it's sometimes called the the EHL'S B division, but how valuable was it to develop for a year at that level? We needed to, but we had to understand that the junior hockey world is not easy. It's not you want to do it and you just start to do it. So we needed to get our feet wet. We have some good hockey background, but it was my first time that during into the junior coaching ranks as a first year program you know, whereas other programs well look to hire some veterans and things like that when they get off the ground, we were complete new operations hockey staff, completely new off the operations team. So everything was new. So it was very important for us to go through at the Premier Division, see what the level play was going to be, understand how stringent the game day operations were going to be, understand how to operate our social media platform. So it was a really good opportunity to it for us to take our time and really learn what the eastern Hockey League was...

...about. This way, when we entered with two teams, we could really take this opportunity to run with it and do well. So for us it was super valuable to take the right and correct steps, do it slow methodically and understand where we wanted to be with this thing and an x amount of years. And you know, right now we're right on target for where we wanted to be. So that first year was super, super valuable to us. We always refer back to it will me and Matt, my partner, and it's just some coach talk about our teams in our success, that it came from that year and those players who brought into what the eighty sevens were about. We're about to be, and you say the word we a lot. You brought up Maddie's name, Matt Hen in, and you co owners and Co coaches. Obviously, two thousand and seventeen eighteen was your first year. How far back, though, do we have to go and what year was it when the two of you got together and said we're ready to do this if we me and Maddie, obviously we go way back. I had actually just been still been playing hockey at Trinity College when me and Matt had met. Matt kind of took me under his wing when I came home to play in the summer and he had a really good group of guys to play with, so would help keep me in shape playing with his team and those players, and we just formed a bond over really everything hockey, you know, and was the main factor, but we just really kind of formed a great relationship over the next eight nine years and then my first go into coaching at the youth level. I'd asked Maddie to help me because I liked his hockey mine and his brain, to help me at the youth side and we got we did a really good job and two years of coaching at the youth level and we just both got tired of just doing what we were doing at the time and decided, hey, let's make a run for this, but let's go see if we'thing coach of junior hockey team and operated junior hockey team. We both have good experiences. We think we can do this. So that conversation probably started in two thousand and fifteen and, as you can see, we didn't get started a two thousand and seventeen. So it took a lot of planning. You know, we had a really strong business proposal. We really wanted to look at everything to see if we can make this work and and that's why I went back to before. It's not for everybody. You can't just start something, you have to really plan it. I give a lot of credit to matt there because he is the analytical side of what we do. He's awesome at forecasting and projecting where we need to be on the business side and the viability of that. So there's just a really good connection between us, a synergy that has worked and it continues to evolve as we continue to grow. So you know, we started the conversation in two thousand and fifteen and we got off the ground two thousand and seventeen and you started to kind of allude to my next question. There being co owners and Co coaches. You just think fifty fifty years split on everything that you guys do. A lot of guys in the League, though, I think, look at you guys and see Maddie as a little bit more of the business side of things and you as a little bit more of the hockey side of...

...things. Is that a fair perspective? By yes and no, I think it's just a trust factor for for the visual other people to look at it that way. It's easier to separate. But I certainly think maddie takes my input on the business side and where we can project from the hockey side. That incorporates the business side and and Maddy, from the hockey sides, of valuable asset to my staff and the recruitment process, being able to see an eye for talent so I think it's it's a good way to kind of talk about our roles within the organization, but once we get into the nitty gritty to it, we find a way to both help each other out where needed. But if I had to trust myself, I would I would be on the hockey side and I would allow him to do the business side, and I think he would say the same. But we both like being a part of the process on each side. So it's been a pleasure relationship to work with and hopefully continue to go in the right direction, which we're super excited about. It is and we'll keep getting better at it. And now to bring the pull up the players into into this conversation a similar way that I started off the conversation with bills in the bony last week. Can you define the D sevens culture? Yeah, I mean that's that's it's it's a great question. I think our culture is just about doing the things the right way, proving to yourself that you're a hockey player that may have been skipped over, and just someone who puts the eighty seven s first, holy and truthfully first, and don't just act it. I think that's why we've been so successful is because it starts in the top bottom and our culture and about me, and that is we put everybody else in front of us. You know, as owners and coaches, we have to be successful for not it's directly affected upon us. I think the players understand that. So when we're grinding and practice, when we're grinding in a video session, they see we put everybody else before us. Will Spend fifteen hours at the rink where our families are being affected and we're not at home. So I think they see that. They see how early we get to the rink, when we travel, how well we take care of them. I think that just spreads to them understanding that they're doing this for for a greater reasons than, I think, what we finally have established that culture on its own. That's where our play really started to grow as a team and as a club. Is doing the little things and doing things for others first is always going to make you be successful in the long run. So I think we let that happen organically. Each team's got a little bit of a different makeup, but organically each team finds a way to realize that's why they're there and that's why we're here as a group. This is a collective good and everybody will individually be better off...

...if the collective good is doing well. So that's the exciting part, you know, for our Austin we can kind of sit back, you know, and watch that happening, especially heading into this year, the two thousand and twenty one season, returning such a great group of veterans. You know, we expect that to take off right from training camp and go a step further this year. So hopefully the bar will be risen for futuring seven teams. And that's an awesome transition, because I wanted to talk about the history of your team and that first year we had just a P team. You still won thirty three games. I'm not sure if you know what this number is, but in five seasons total. Right, one premiere to start and then to each level the next two seasons. You want a hundred and sixty one games. At some point, do you take a step back and tie yourself on the back or or or do you just know that at the same time you haven't reached providence yet technically either level, and that's where the finish the job motto is coming in. Yeah, I think. Yeah, listen, I think that's that's awesome to hear. I think, you know, we don't really get a chance to sit back and look at that, but you know, as much as we are we want to take credit that. That's from the players. We we've had some great teams. We've had great individual success, we've had great team success. So to me, the competitor and us that that's the expectation. You know, that's what I wanted, that's what we want here in New Jersey. We want to be a winning team and winning tradition. So I'm glad that that is started to transcend itself. But, like you said, the biggest thing from from our prop and urisational standpoint in getting to the frozen finals and getting to providence at both levels. You know, that is our goal. That was our goal from the beginning of last year, if to get there, and now that that kind of didn't let itself complete itself, it's certainly the job now the two thousand and twenty team, two thousand and twenty one, to finish the job, get us there, get us over the hill, because at the end of the day we have a lot of good teams in this league. That have a lot of good wins, do a good job at winning, also do a great job of promoting to division three. So now we have to add that other parts to our program and to be in the categories of the motioning, junior rangers, the avalanche, you know, the program that do it really well, the little flyers. We have to get there. We have to show that not only we can promote, but we can also win and we can also win when it counts. So, without a doubt, we have to finish the job this year. That is the goal and that is what we're looking to do with both teams this year is get there, get to Providence, finish the job and then get started for the next year. And you know, who's to say you wouldn't have made it with both teams this past year? Obviously I to feel confident where things were at when the season came to an end. But what I think is very going to be interesting...

...for you is now the two thousand and two and eighty sevens. They're going to have a few familiar faces, as you mentioned, with your returners, but there's not going to be that many guys that experience the premier loss the first year or the series loss to Wilkespeare now two years ago, same year that they premier team lost the little flyers. How do you deliver the message to this year's upcoming team and say the job that you're completing isn't just for yourselves, but it's for all the past eighty sevens of the moved on to different levels. Yeah, I think I think that's the biggest thing and that will be our biggest I don't think it's a town, but that would be our biggest thing that we have to make sure he is instilled, because there are players I look at, you know, Timozooski, trevors Yer, Jack Layne, there are players that were from the start of the eighty seven organization. I've been here, and those guys won't have a chance to ever feel the glory of getting to Providence and possibly winning. So for those guys we have to do it and give them the opportunity to that. When they do come back and visit us and see it, they understand that they started a legacy. They started as a expectation that not only are we going to get you into college, but we're going to try to win this thing every year. So I think that is a huge opportunity for us to undertake. I think it's a certainly a bullet point that we are going to talk about quite a bit that at the end of all this, if we don't finish the job, we're going to let those players not ever see that opportunity to get there. And you know, the good thing, like you had mentioned, is that we don't have a lot of players who have felt that loss and in our first year or felt the laws against Wilkes there and are in our second year. We now have guys that, in some good way, have the the blinders on, that they haven't had to beat they haven't had disappointment. So there is that fear factor of it is happened before. Teams that have been just as good as they were have lost in the playoffs and then out of nowhere a pandemic and end your season. So I think there will be an urgency from our team this year, our club to make sure we are doing everything in our power that will be ready come march to make sure we put this final push into playoffs at both levels and then make sure again that we get there and we finish a job. And I don't want to go too far down the depressing path that is the end of the two thousand nineteen twenty season. Because you obviously, you and I spoke I think a half hour after we had to cancel things as a league, and I don't think many words or even exchange on that phone call. But in terms of if you had to rank, what the hardest part was, was it those three players that you mentioned, in Lezouski, sere and lane, the fact that they had been with you from start to finish, but we're never able to really see things through? Yeah, I think I think it's the it's...

...exactly that. I mean, I get I get emotional just thinking about it, because those guys were with us from the start and and the you know, if we had gotten there, are not gotten there. I think we just have closure. There's the opportunity to hug those guys on the eyes, whether it's in in an awesome moment or disappointing moment, there's just that opportunity to close it. I think the hardest part was sending the group of message that the season was over and knowing that those guys had to read it and I couldn't deliver it to them personally. I think that was the hardest part. So, looking at it from that standpoint, that was a very, very hard thing to do and hopefully these teams can help, you know, help me and help those guys see how much I meant to our organization and get us to the point where we want to get to. But that was certainly the difficult point and as our time as a season to get there. So that was very, very hard because those guys have been there from any one and then for me as a new coach, you know, those are the guys that were there and you want to be the ones that get them to the next step. And obviously now, hopefully in the next couple weeks, will announce their commitments and announced where they're going, and that will be a little bit of a breather and a little bit of a happy moment for us that the back and say that they're able to get their ultimate goal, but not being able to kind of close out their career in the way I wanted them to close it out, was certainly disappointed and and keeps me motivated to make sure that we continue to promote what they do and continue to follow in their footsteps of their successful campaign to eighty seven in that word is so perfect closure right, because you work for, you know, eight, seven, eight months with that one team in particular, and to not get that closure of whether it was a winner a loss. Is it the commitments or is it the success that you had in your second year? Where do you search and find that closure to put this past year behind behind you and move on? What do you what do you circle as this past year's ultimate closure for you? I think it was the commitment to the players who were old able to come back, all coming back in nine hours of April seven. I think that to me, was the closure on on the one nineteen twenty season, because they understood the gravity of the situation and the unfortunate and and wanted to be back within them instant. And I think that to me, as much as it was the start of two thousand and twenty, two thousand and twenty one, it was the end of nineteen twenty, in a almost unglorious, respectful way, that they made the move into each other that we're going to be back at the group. So to me that was kind of where I circled. You know, the year Conne is done, you get nervous of the coach that your players don't want to be back or they're going to explore other options. That that was a fear, but I think them returning to being eighty seven helped me close in one thousand nine hundred and twenty...

...chapter and certainly get excited and very, very anxious to get started in two thousand and twenty one. And now shifting gears a little bit, I wanted to touch on some of the testimonials that have come in for your team that we're going to be announcing here and releasing. What those graphics like we did for the Seahawks, and obviously your program hasn't been around for the entire existence of the EHL, but there are a number of quotes that really stuck out to me, so I want to work through a few of these. I want to start first and foremost, though, with years. The EHL is a step above the rest because of the dedication from owners, coaches and staff personnel to the development of each and every player, both on and off the ice. When you when you say owners, coaches and staff personnel, is there one of those in particularly that you think pushes the rest of them? You think that everyone has a whole owners, coaches and league staff. Is What makes the League so special? Yeah, I think it's everything. I think it's the commaradeer between the coaches the players. I think the we all star weekend of players coming together and being, you know, friends throughout the year but obviously super competitive on the ice. I think from the coaches, US being super competitive and not wanting to lose to each other, but understanding that the better that you are, the better you need to be. So and the owners again pushing our players first and pushing our league versus there one number one agenda. I think it just sets the course. That the reason why we are step above the rest because we have that opportunity. I know from from me. I can speak from the coaches side. You know we're super competitive. You know. I know we're super friendly and I know a lot of coaches get along and a lot of coaches respect each other, but you can ask every single one. You want to beat the next coach right. You know, for me it was a goal. I want to beat every team in the league. I don't you know, I don't want to just be a good member, a big good team member. I want to win and I think that sets the part to keep competitive and I think when each coach is competitive, you're going to go out and accruit the right players for our league and that just puts everybody moving forward. So I think the collective group, the owners, you know, the coaches and the staff. I think we do an awesome jobs from the social media side, you know, really highlighting the player. Everything we do is about the player and I think that's the biggest thing that the players want to see, you know, the League. For them it's a league about them and it's the league that they can come to and understand that they're going to get pushed to the next level and make it the right decision. So I think of a collective group. All three of those categories work in cohesion together. That helps us push, push forward and be the truly step above everybody else. And I'm not going to read every quote from every player, but there's a few lines that stuck out to me. So I'll start with Jack McDonough and the WHO goes to Manhattanville college now, only spent one year with your EHL team, but he says coach truly works tirelessly to get players the exposure that they need and...

...make some unrelenting commitment to develop on Ice Skills and discipline, character traits. When you hear a player like that said about your program, how does it make you feel? Happy? Happy that it that that is transcending into into those players. And obviously, you know a player like Jack had had a great resume of great veteran presence and for him to feel that about our program and feel that about us is a tremendous thing. You know that super static that he felt that way and you know he's a valuable member of our alumni. And then and he's a player that we, you know, we continuously to track. So it's just good that that's kind of a what what he felt, because he's been a lot of different places and I think coming to us in the AHL speaks dividendly. It goes to the why we're step above, because he felt like that where he ended his career, that we we did different we did things differently. Obviously you know that's what the eighty sevens do, but at the League we do as well. So super exciting to hear. And that's a one year for it. Now let's go to a one year defenseman. I mean a little bit more of this one. This is Jeff Lemore from the goes the FITCHBURG state. Now the seven organization truly eaten me and elevating my game to the college level, from the extensive work both on and off the ice to the unparalleled dedication of the organization and owning all facets of the players games playing in the EHL for the et Stevens put me into a position to succeed. When he says all facets of a players game, what is he talking about? I think he's looking at the demand of what we talked about on a regular basis with our players. Jeff was a tremendous defenseman for us. He's been tremendous defenseman in college. But I think all facets of the game was we demand our players understand all situations in all corners of the game. So you have had to understand what the forward movements were in the news zone. He had to think like a forward, so he knew at the defenseman how to react and the offensive own he had to understand what play they're are running or what set we were trying to work to, because that allowed him to play in the set that he needed a play into. So I think that demand just sets the focus in the intensity of a practice above the rest, and I think that's why our players are battle tested and ready for the college game. Because when you get to the college game, that's what it's all about. It's ever changing. There's constant changing on the bench, from for checks the bout, you know, whatever you can think of. EXOS are constantly changing. So if you're doing that in practice when you're in your junior year, you're going to certainly feel ready in your college year. So you know, that's a great example of someone who came to us and wasn't necessarily there when he when he got there in September, but by March was one of our our top defenceman that understood that the game evolved so much and you have to be every facet of every game...

...has to be executing at the right time to be successful. So I think that's what he meant when we talked about that, because it's something we harp on on a daily basis here. Maybe seven lengths and those are two alumni. This next player is going to be an alumni, but he hasn't played a game at college yet. But Andrew maners going to toughs this upcoming fall and not to be as whole quote, but just the first line. Looking back at my game heading in the juniors and after two years as an eighty seven, it is like night and day. Do you feel the same way about his game? I would say he that's a not a super harsh look at his game, but I think he sees the benefits and we store the benefits in his game when we had a recruited them. So I certainly think yes, he is a way different player weaving the eighty seven, but I think we store that it was there and the potential in his game and it's not always about the mighty and the glory. You know, the tear got do well, scout well and he's a perfect example of someone that we studied and watch pretty hard throughout throughout his year and knew there was a hidden hidden gem there, there's a hidden talent and he got here and he was such a good kid that he trusted us and now he exploded onto the scene and I think he's going to be a heck of a player at tops and they're getting a really, really good, complete hockey player who will continue to make that program rise. So I'm glad he felt that as well, but I think it was always there. We just found a way to get it out of him and I'm glad he feels that way. And those are only three alumni that I wanted to share their stories for. But now, as you recruit the future sevens, you know, not talking about the kids that are returning, with the kids that are going to come play for your teams this upcoming year that I've never played junior's before or have never played in the EHL or ehlp before. How do you use these success stories to really help sell those future players? Yeah, I think we just tell him do your homework. We talked about it quite extentively on recruit calls and and our pitches to the players is that take a look at our history, go look at here are some players that have done it at taken those steps. We have the letter and junior hockey player who's been around the league's and who came in the final year to the Ahl and the Jack mcdona. To look at his path. He's played at the highest level and then all we've played some CCAHL Games, but the end of his career in the Ahl and now is going to a fantastic school. He's super excited. So look at that, sir, you look at a look at it. Andrew Maynard, a kid who played on a high level tier one hockey team, who was a middle of the path player on that team. But we saw something in them and made him feel comfortable and made him feel welcome that we know we can get there if there's a dedication from his bar. So look at that path. And then we look at the Jack Lanes and the Trevor Sears that started in the premiere.

Look at that path. They want from premier to Ehl, the EHL in the now I'm going to be college hockey players. So we just kind of show that projection in that past, that every player that we recruit falls into one of those categories. That's possible and if they don't, are simple thing to them is that will define your path, will carve it out the way you wanted to be carved out and we'll get you to your goals and aspirations. And I think that's the biggest thing when we talk to our recruits is is our history, but then are also ability to be forward thinking and innovative and how we approach what we do. So we really try to obviously touch every part of the spectrum when we recruit, because that's the challenge that lies ahead for us, and anybody knows that there's a challenge in front of you that will bring out the best. And then we like that, and I think our players like to hear that. They like to see a path that can followed. They also let us know that if they are that player who wants to go off on a tangent, their tangent is going to get them in the right spot because we're going to lead the way for them and we're going to direct it in that path. So I think incorporating all that together is what made a successful what we do in our recruiting process and being selective. We want here and while we want them here, and continuing to look forward. From your first year to your second year, you went from just a premier team to teams at both levels. From year two to your three, I noticed that maybe your ehl team wasn't totally playing their best hockey when the postseason began in their first year, but this set, this most recent year, you were playing your best hockey. So each year, what I'm trying to say is it seems like you guys have different goals. That you try to accomplish throughout the year. So once you check one off, you move on to the next one. Obviously it's a weird offseason, but have there any short term goals that you want to start off the two two thousand and twenty one season just rathergate. These are the goals we have to accomplish right away? Yeah, I want to share ourselves right from the start. I want to come out of the gate and you know, I want to punish and I want to do what we do so well. I want to skate, I want to I want to push pays. I want our game in September to be playoff ready if needed to be, and because if we get to that point, I think it allows us to continue to evolve and experience what we're going to need to experience, the ups and downs sooner and later. This way we can reject where we're going to need to become come playoff season. So for me, I know the way the year ended in the way the year we want to start. I think we want to come out ready to go. We want to be we want to be playing some some really good hockey, really really executing what we want to do on the forward side. To d side in net from the coaching stampoint, we want to come out ready to go. We don't want to spend time trying to find ourselves. I think we have the group to to do that in...

...training camp, but when the puck drops for the regular season, we want to be ready to go. You know, we want to we want to celebrate, we want that Horn to go off. You know, we want to be ready to rock and roll come September a team and be a team that is feared to be played and obviously setting that expectation for our players will be the goal. And it's not, you know, it's not something that we're not going to do. We talk about it, we want it. We want to come out to timber ready to rock and roll and then be ready to play some really good hockey. And now for a final fun topic, if you will, to put a bull on this. I appreciate you coming on for the second time. First of the offseason here for you. You mentioned in the interview that the coaches in this league want to beat each other more than anything in the world, whether it's for the bragging rights or to ultimately be have that that trophy up at the end. You push each other every day for victories, for commitments excess in your time in the ehl could be eh LP. Also, have you come across any players on opposing teams where you thought to yourself, Damn, like I wish I had a kid like that. That's skill set on my team. Yeah, I think. I think the League is so strong that you do run into those players that obviously you try to obtain. But I look at I look at a player that I think is tremendous potential. I'm a junior flyer, John Gabriel. He used a player that every time we played them, as comfortable as we felt in those games. He was a player that can make it switch and a given shift and that was someone that was fun to be a part of them watch, you know, and see that ability that he had to make a change. He was able to go in corners and really physically assert himself. Then he had the soft touch in front of the net that he can make a rebound in back in the that. So those were those are a good players that. Look at another player, the you know, the Revolution in Braden Patricia. Anytime he had the PUP, you had to be aware and those guys were fun to have to defend against and then get yourself ready to defend and play again. So you know in the pulp is on his stick, it could be in the back year net, it could be a backdoor tapping and it could be, you know, a shot off the bar and and you had to be aware when the pup around his stick. And those are always fun games to be a part of because you want to be able to shut them now shut down those players. So those are two guys that I got to play quite a bit in the south that were fun to play against and obviously you want your team to be looked at in that same way, as can change in the ship and can be a threat every time the puck on their stick. WELL INTO INTERVIEWS IF I've heard three different names so far, so that's a good thing. And the last topic now the last question. I'm going to end this the same lay end of the...

...conversation with with coach sand a bony last week. Say It's March Twenty Four, two thousand and twenty one, you're in your first game at the frozen finals and you're going into overtime the starting five plus a goalie that you would put out there from the sevens, but you can pick any player from any year. WHO WOULD THAT LINEUP BE? Well, that's a good question. That's a loaded question that I'm certainly gonna I'm sure that the boys will let me know that they wanted to be there, but I think that I will. I'll give it. I'll give it an opportunity to guys I didn't get that chance. So I think down the middle I probably have maynard and in the middle and I probably would support him with Jack Lane and Zac Parantino. I think that line would certainly be a good line to have the start there. They've been eighty sevens for a long time. They understand the the complexity of the situation. I think on the back end I probably go with a trevors here and a Timmy Lazowski. They've been a deepair that is played from the start all the way through the finish together, and in that I'll probably go in as our my netminder who I can trust. This steel a game of need be or keep us keep it shutdown up. We had to keep it shutdown. So I think those will be the five guys I would probably start with and hopefully I'll be on the good side of the furship and game ending well compared to last being's line up, those are it's just as legit. So I appreciate you coming on the second team of the week feature of the offseason, and stay safe, stay healthy, and good luck with the rest of the recruiting. Thanks, Neal and, and you as well, and I look forward to the two thousand and twenty one. Thanks for listening to the show. Learn more at Eastern Hockey League Dot Org and follow us on Facebook, twitter, instagram and Youtube. Also, be sure to subscribe and get notified when next week's PODCAST is released.

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