Episode 13 · 2 years ago

Off-Season Roundtable | Episode 13


The Offseason Roundtable features Rich DeCaprio (Boston Jr. Rangers), Eric Lind (Connecticut RoughRiders), Andrew Trimble (New England Wolves), Chris Cerrella (New Hampshire Avalanche), and Adam Houli (New Jersey 87s).

As we embark on what will be the most interesting summer in the history of the junior hockey, our coaches try to answer some of the recruiting questions that will be consistently asked over the next few months.

Tough decisions lie ahead, and our coaches tell you why the EHL is the way to go.

Welcome to the east show with Neil Raven. With over onezero NCAA commitments, the ehl is the proven path to college. Turn it up and learn more about the college placement leader at the division two and three levels. Welcome to the east show once again. My name is near Raven. This is episode number thirteen, the first one of the offseason. What will be a very interesting offseason around the junior hockey world and we wanted to do something a little bit different with the east show podcast to start off the offseason. So we're doing a little bit of a round table. I've got five different head coaches and GM's from around the league. Andrew Trimble from the New England wolves, Rich DiCaprio from the Boston Junior Rangers, Adam Hooie from the New Jersey seven's, Eric Lynd Connecticut rough riders, and Chris Sorella from the New Hampshire Avalanche. Will bring all of them in now and, as I mentioned, wanted to do something a little bit different here and just talk about what will be a very interesting offseason. The will start things off. I'll start off with Adam Hooie, since today is April seventh, the first day that you can officially sign players for next year. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I think your team is bringing back the most guys from last year. How important are returners, you know, when sending the foundation for a new junior hockey season? Yeah, I think I think it's super important than last year. I had a little bit of a taste of it. I had three or four guys returned. Right now we're looking at close one thousandour hundred and fifteen coming back for so right off the bat we feel very confident. That just sets the tone. You know you can go to training camp and and be ready to go from things you were doing at the end of the year because the majority Rou team knows what you're doing. So super excited for that and I just think you see the leadership that the veteran presence really does take shape in this league, especially as you go through the entire months. Late in January, it certainly helped to have your veterans there. And then when you want to make a push, obviously you know they know it's their last call, you know, and they're ready to go. So from our staypoint where we're excited, were excited that will add. But we just look forward to getting back started in September and start all over. And for the rest of you guys, with those returners, is it almost a lot that one of those guys has to be a captain when they come back? Anyone, anyone could take that, I say? I mean I would say it's not always a lot, but it's it's kind of hard not to give a guy a letter no, especially if he's got some of the all these the captain's meat or leader. So I mean I know the guys that are coming back from year, from from this year's team, will be wearing rudders. How early do you do you have the conversation? Like you go back to this past season? Obviously it ends a little bit prematurely and you know one kids not going to college next season. How early do you start talking about next season in the return process? It's already talk to them. Yeah, I think it starts right away. I mean I think as soon as they know. We knew the season was over. We had our exit interviews the next day. The guys that you know you're veterans, you start kind of talking about, you know, the next year. So for also think it started right away, and I think now it's even more. Guys are, you know, in some sense, board sitting at home right now. There's, you know, the year is taking and now they're sitting there, you know, hoping that they get back in September. I would say. The year started right away, you know, and they just they want to be back and that's that's what you know you're doing things the right way, but it's also reassuring that everybody wants to come back and be Eric. You're one of the guys that's been in this league all the way since it's inception, back in two thousand and thirteen. What's an exit interview like? Actually interview? Well, you go over the players strength and you know...

...what they need to work on over the summer and then also you want to get their feedback on the organization, what can be done better and and even at the coaching staff, you know what we did well and what we can approve on, and then exactly what the guys are talking about. You know you're looking for next year, especially when guys want to come back, you know you're doing a you know, doing a good job, and then exactly what they need to work on to get to that next level and get those colleges interest, and Chris will keep with this same topic. You know, with all the commitments that your programs had, there's been one player that's kind of just been there the entire time coming back already for a third year in Chris Aaron's. Obviously you'd love to have him in college already, but how beneficial is it to your team that he's coming back for a third season? Yeah, I think it's I think it's great having Chris arronds back as fantastic. He's a great leader, great cap and obviously a great player, and you know, he just decided on his own to do another year. He did have college options, but he wanted to get bigger, stronger, faster and mature as game and be completely ready to play college hockey. He wanted to go in and be an impact right away. So having them back is great for us on the ice, but also as well off the ice, and only having six returners, having a guy like that returning as well, it is big for us and and you will bring you in now. Yeah, with with the avalanche being one of the teams in your state, you're another one. There's four teams. You guys have already started talking about what you want to call the New Hampshire Cup and he wanted to play at St a's college. What is the thought process behind that and the benefits to all four of your programs? Think it's a really good opportunity for the teams in our league to take it early part of the season. It's not a showcase. In kind of make it our own small little showcase in our new league member team Seeco, Spartans the avalanche and there our selves play on the college drink and then also invite, you know, all the college recruiters who were from the area to come in and see all the all the programs for represented in the Hampshire playing one building. And I think it'll be kind of different from a showcase. And that would got a competing for an individual trophy the granted to take up. So they'll be a little bit of bragging rights. Kids are playing for something. And then also and give our kids an opportunity to be seen by a large number of college scouts early in the season. And you talked about one of the most probably the vote. The two most important customers like right there, you know, the players and the college coach is obviously we're in a weird time right now in this world where you can't really leave your house. But the group of you have combined for forty commits of the hundred and nineteen we have this past season. But there's still some players, some last season, that are trying to commit. How do you get those players committed at this time of the year? Well, I think our league is done a tremendous job of our showcases. So most of our kids have been seen by, you know, the schools that they're talking to or that they're interested in. So it's a matter of making sure that their paperwork and their applications or in their financial aid is all in and ready to go and then then making a decision. If we were in a different environment or a different place like that geographically didn't attract as many colleges, I think it'd be a different ball game. But our kids have been seen by the schools they want to be seen, by schools they want to go to. So now, which is decision time, what can those players do at home, the ones that are still left uncommitted right now, I think staying content. They just have to continue to make sure that they respond to calls or spawn the tops mess on the emails. They're being very forthcoming and very honest with the recruiters and to go BAF Andrews Point, I think that the the recruiters know how strong our league is. It helps that they've seen them play... the past and they're able to kind of gage where that player sits and where other guys have committed. Is a much easier conversation to do that and I think that's what makes our league so different and what makes our our top team, so different. You know, it helps out at times like this where you might need to get a guy committed where you were hoping the playoffs continued, or you get to the throso files are show him off, but you have all the the stuff you need ahead of time. So I think the players need to be proactive, I think coaches need to be proactive and trying to get them over that final hurdle and hopefully playing at NCAA school. And you guys both kind of touched on the players have already been seen. Is there any value to continuing to cut clips from hockey TV or anything like that, or is that kind of obsolutely at this point? All right, I think it's I think it's ongoing here and you know, I think even you know the colleges that are still looking to fill spots. It's no different than use junior coach is looking for players for the next season. They're doing the same things right now because everything got ended pretty quickly. So I think that's a great idea. You know, if they're also helps, to make sure you talk to your junior prep coach and make sure those guys are helping you as well. It's not just all on the players, it's on who they play for to so you know, the players need to make sure they continue reaching out to the colleges who are interested, but also continue to reach out to your current coach for help. And you know, I think it's on going for everybody. Everything happened so quickly. Any kind of resource a player can use to help them is a good one, and that's kind of a decent transition into you know, what is the most important topic here next season. Eric will start this one off with you. All the recruiting right now is over the phone. How much different is that than it's been, you know, for every year past they've been junior hockey. I would say for us it's kind of seamless transition just because we cut out tryouts about five years ago. So we do a lot of video and then references and then obviously over the phone talks and then obviously seasons cut short. But I do I do skates also, but obviously that's cut out right now. So it hasn't been too big of an impact on us. Yeah, I know, I know. With with that we're in the same boat. We don't do tryouts. I know you know the rest do in some sense. So for us it's kind of similar where you know, we're pretty much on the phone at this point. None of the real showcases have occurred quite yet, so you're not you know, your travel schedule hasn't really started. So right now you are doing most of the manning of the phones, you know, looking out for references and watching hockey TV. But for us it's kind of seamless right now because it's mostly done on the cell phone video and just connecting. So obviously do a lot of talking at this point. But you know, it's been it's been pretty easy in that sense with travel not really starting quite yet with any of the big showcases coming. Well, that's a really interesting point that your two programs don't do try us any more. Other three have. I'm sure there's kids sitting at home right now wondering, you know, if all tryouts are canceled, do I need to get into a trial? Would tryouts that valuable to the other three guys on this call for me, for us, you know, we do the tryouts, but then they're not huge. We don't have a hundred kids showing up and you know, we average maybe forty, two hundred and fifty guys every year. But again and a water goal. He's but it's not a huge thing for us. It's more of you. We had a few guys that were sold in that we never heard of. I know Mitche hate, who we had two three years.

He walked into our camp like we never never reached out to me before. I never reached out. I never know who he was, and turn into a really, really nice hockey player and was here for three years for us and the captain. So you know, every every once in a while you get those one or two guys that our gems, but for the most part it's you know, it's not crucial for us, but but we do it just for that sack alone that you never know who's going to walk through the door. Chris and Andrew, would you guys do that? Yeah, I think for I think nowadays it's it's the the the main camps, in the tryouts or there's it's still a resource to find players. But I think every program on this call can probably agree. And you know, we recruit during the season, we recruit all the time. So you know, it's I think it's just like everything else. We go every we go out and every direction to find a good hockey player. So it could be through a main camp, it could be over the phone, it could be anything. So we have to dig around and try to find players up at our program and you know, I think camps are kind of starting to, you know, wind down a little bit in terms of the importance of it, but it's also a resource to find players that you might not have seen yet. And I think you know, I think we all of us on this call all recruit during the season. So recruiting never really ends for us. It just like Chris said, you know, the try out to a resource, but I wouldn't say that they're the primary catalyst for building your team. The strongest basic recruiting that we get is when we have a kid come in during the season and spend a day with us. They'll come in and they'll two skills in the morning, they'll see our facilities over the course with day and we'll maybe put up put them up with a billet that night, so they spend a full twenty four hours of our program and get to understand the day is right with us. And and that when we get to know the kid just as much as the kids gets to know us, and that has become kind of the strongest base on which we build our teams off of. That's an end Er. That's it there. Sorry, Christ on the yeah, Andrew, that's that's that's a great that's a great point, Andrew, that exactly. I think it's just like the college hockey process. Get in a few I can see the facility, meet the coaches, meet the other players on the teams. It's a great that as a great point. Great Point for sure. Is there anybody well done there? Is there any value? You talk about these players coming to see your specific programs. Obviously, in my opinion, the way that this offseason shapes cell, it could change the junior hockey world through the next season as well. Is there any way to encourage players instead of coming maybe to this your specific programs next season, come check out a showcase? Is Their value to that either? There's value to recruits watching a agel hockey game, and it's the biggest thing I see is that they don't know how strong the we you gears, and they don't know how strong the Games are. You can't you can't walk in and expect to just dominated and do well. And we're a little bit in a fortune situation where our building allowed us to have access to some North American hockey players and whenever they had a chance to play in a year Jel put until the difference and not to take a shot or, you know, across the bow. But it's just a difficult game. It's not easy and to play the next level it takes time. And you know, all those get guys from high ranking eighteen teams and other programs where people have done very well and they get to the League here in the first three weeks. There the kind of left saying. Will wait a minute. I thought I was going to dominate our gaws some prop points, and it's it's no, it's not that easy. It's a difficult game. It's a difficult league. It's a fast lead. The Games are so fast. So I would encourage anyone who has a time go watch games. Put It on hockey TV now during the season. Come Watch a game at your local rink because it is intense hockey. It is it is fun to be a part of. You know. I know when...

...we go to the showcase I love watching other matchups and being on the ice level and seeing it. You know, my first year I got a chance to watch the adlands play the little flyers doing team and I thought that was one of the best games I've seen in a long, long time. So you know, I would encourage them to watch. The hockey's is really, really good. And how does that that statement that you just made, how does it compare? You know what the EHL P to ehl jump? I know the rough riders are the one team on this call it doesn't have an EHLP team. But for the rest of you guys, you're trying to sell our developmental division as well and get players in the door and then make the jump to the EHL. How is that process all going to be impacted by this offseason? Wewn guys, well, I mean it's in terms of your own guys that are looking to make the jump and then in terms of selling the future players, you know, come play in the EH L P here's why? Yeah, well, I think it's the same every year. Like you explain to them, they have to do the research on their own too. How many guys, you know, they look at our EUHL roster. How many guys played on our premier team right? How many guys right premiere to the EHL and on the college hockey? You know, like I use, we have a lot of guys that do that, like Mike mckerson was a perfect example. I think this year a couple guys from our premier team mean the to that stand out. Obviously Your Bailey and mound drew close and those guys should come right up in the HL and do well, like you know. Obviously they had an over a hundred points. Those guys do well, like meet Matthews this year, but he had what seventy something eight points in the in the premier of the year before came up and he wasn't in a point role for our EHL team this year, but he was a crucial player for us and he was very good for us and he adjusted. I got seamlessly a d our league and he's going to eat better this year. Yeah, it's and I agree to rich and I think players need to understand you have to dominate the level, each level about you're at. You have to dominate that level in order to get to the next level. So for the EHL Premiere and those you know what Rangers, Wolves, avalanche and eighty seven, with the premiere teams, I think all guys can agree the players that dominate the premier level have a good chance to get moved up to your EHL team. You know, I think we called up nine different guys this year. We had kids practicing with our EHL team. You know, it's a resource for us right off the bat to be able to develop players and move them up if they can. It's all about dominating levels and it's no different when you're playing junior hockey. If you dominate junior hockey, then you're ready for Himca a call a hockey. So it's a process. So I think we all use that process. If you dominate, you have a chance that you guys would agree. I think what rich said to and because I had a chance to play against Matthews at the p level and how good he was there. Now was this year ehl with an a different role, and that how difficult, you know, to play and the ultimate goal of division three hockey. Look at those steps. He he's been on the right side of his decisions. Each time you've gone from premieer he's done really well and went to a good program is coming back into a better role now and and he's no doubt to me a division three hockey there. So I think he's made the right decision where. You know, I don't know what you guys think, but for me when guys choose maybe to go back for their second year and eighteen and things like that, you know what I tell them is, unless you're playing for a top ten team and you have a top six role on that team, you're it's very hard to make the jump right to EATL. You know. So I'm going to be having the same conversation with you that you might have to start in my premiere so I can get you a acclaimed right away to get to the Equa Shell. It's not as simple anymore with the amount of eighteen teams out there is like a hundred and forty. You know, it's a lot of players and that's why I think getting...

...started in the premier early, if that's your goal and you're able to do that, is a tremendous resource and I'll be honest, you know, for guys like us who happened here teams where other EHL teams can look at, we market that as well. You know, we've had some difficult conversations with our premier guys. I say, Hey, you might have a better fit here. What we want you in the league. We want you to be a division three hockey player, and this league does a tremendous job and doing that. I think that's where the coaching stass all get along. We, as competitive as we may all be against each other, I think we all rely knowing that, hey, there's a guy who's a good fit here, go there. There's a good coach in the north, go there. You know, I know with with rich, we did it last year across a recruiting trip. We came across a guy late that I was kind of on the back burner that I reach on Toy, if you have a chance to go play for coach rich or another league. You'd been the dumb not to go to play for coach rich and and and end up doing a really applier Solf for coach rich so it worked out, and that we support each other. We're competitive, but we certainly support each other and being in this league and playing for this league. I think that's a great point that I wanted to bring up at some point in this call. I remember I said it to the wolves last training camp when I happen spoke to your team and to our coach. Is Do a tremendous job keeping players in this league. You guys have all made trades, whether with each other or, you know, with other coaches in the league. How do you set a player down and deliver that message that, while your role maybe has diminish with your program here's why you should stay in the EHL and go to this team? Anyone can start off that one. I mean I'll started. YEA, yeah, in no worries it all. I just say it's really important for a player to be a top six forward or a top for defenseman and they get that exposure. You know, and I also wanted to stress OUTC setsful these players from the EHL are being at the division three level. I know handple guys on this call has, you know, players of the year at their schools and there's a lot of captain so like it's it's a really good development league to take that next step, next step at the NCAA level. But answering that question, you got to be you got to be on that, you know, the top line to get those notices. I mean that it just the way it is and I think players understand that and that's how they're going to developed. And I think with the you know, everybody, we works together and the players are our customer. So if there's an opportunity to get a better fit for a kid, you know, we communicate as owners and coaches and try to find the best for the kid so that he can excel at this level potentially go to the next level. If we're if we have a kid who's not getting the minute that he needs, then we try to find a place for him to get the I think one big thing that we've been talking about without saying the actual word, is patients. How do you how do you tell players that the most important thing they can do is be patient, trust the process. Maybe it's not going to be a year in the league and you're right out. It may take two years, it may take three years, but if you stay patient and trust the process and work through, Chris said it, you master the level that you're at. How do you teach kids to be patient and know that at the end of the day they will reach that goal that they want to get to? Well, I think I think the biggest thing is is you know, all of us on this call have been there right. So you know I played three years of junior b hockey back in the mid S for apple cores. Then I went finally went to the USA Gelman off the Division One college hockey. So I played four or five years of junior hockey before I played college hockey. So you know, most of the coaches on this call here, if not all,...

...have done the same process. So when you can tell a family about their family plan as you help them develop their family plan, I did this too. This is not out of them, out of the ordinary, this is the norm. I was a twenty one year old freshman. Believe in the process. It works. You just have to put everything into it and if you can commit to that and stay within our league, within our programs, they're going to have success at the end. There's not many players that you know, that I know of, that have aged out of the HL and never had a place to go play. So the path is there. Is How much you want to commit to that path. Believe in it, believe in your coaches, believe in your program, believe in the League name and then just go all out. That, I would be my opinion. No, that's right, and some guys understand that, but a lot don't, and that's why the recruiting process is what it is. You gotta you have a lot of players in your notebooks and a lot of contacts and you got to reach out to a lot of guys because you know some guys will buy into that, like I said, and some wont. Like I look at Johnny Mount Jukolo. He bought into it. You know, Right Bailey, he bought into it, into played prominating the premiere and then move up. Those guys could have played ehl for sure, but would they have been power play guys this year? I doubt it. I don't know. You know, but those kids trusted the process and they're going to come back and they want to get committed. You know, Johnny's an want so he'll still have another year, but but Bailey will for sure, you know. And it's just the kids. You can't convince them all, you know, everyone's got a lot of these kids have other people checkmen in their ear and unfortunately that's the way it is now and you only can only help so many. I think we're going to kind of a quick fix culture sometimes where it's hard to relate that information to kids and get them to buy him. But the ECHO is a real it's a pretty sure path, it's a it's a pretty solid footing that if you play at one level and excel, to play at the next level and excel, you're going to have opportunities. So if kids in graces that that process and embrace that developmental model, it's a pretty sure path that they can get to where they want to be. They if they embrace it. and Christ you kind of brought this up. You all played in college. Is that one of the things that you first say to a potential recruit are? Do you kind of lead, like sell your brand first of the League first, and then say and and here's here's the proof. I went through this as well. Yeah, I mean I think that's part of it. Part of that recruiting process. I think each coach on the call of her develops a different kind of recruiting processes. Every family's different. So yeah, definitely is something that I meant sin that not only have I done this for a long time as a coach and helping families get to that college hockey level, but I also did it as a player. My family went through it, you know, so and and as a father in different sport, but I went through the recruiting creamers with my stuff for college football. So we've been through it. We've all been through it. Every every every team on this call has been through it, not only as a player but somebody involved as a coach, GM or whatever. We've all done it. So the proof is in the pudding realistically, and you know it is big kids and family. The players and families want to know that. They want to know who they're playing for has been through the process and the ones that believe in it, which I feel, and I think you guys all might agree, that more and more players are understanding what the process really is now and not everybody can play division one hockey, not everybody can play in the USAHL. So there's got to be room for players at different levels and they're I I believe they're under starting to understand that a little bit more and their understanding that the EHL has really formed themselves a great path to college hockey.

Where that will be is up to the player and up to the college recruiter, but we do a good job at getting the players there. Yeah, and because I think all of that, I think even to that one further. Not Every player can play division three hockey. You know, it's difficult. It's not. And what and what lady said earlier, is that you come from our league and you go a division three they're becoming dominant. Now. You know our season awards. I know neily you did an article early in the year, but every week it seems that our guys are constantly getting recognized or some kind of awarding. By the end of the year they're making all first, second third team. So I think it. That is the biggest thing is, you know, if you make the commitment as a hockey player to want to play division three hockey at the minimal that's just it's great to say it, but then you got to put you got to put something into it, and I think coming to our league you realize how hard it is. But if you do well, you know all of a sudden you're going to look at yourself and be very good and if you do well in college you're going to get recognized. I think that's why college is continue to continue to come back to us because of when they get our player, they see how season the house, how strong he is, knowing they're gonna get four years of an exceptional player. So, just to go further on that, you know it's not easy to play any of those levels. That's getting to the point out, so easy to play at the highest club level either. It hack is a difficult game, you know, but if you give everything, you have the coaches in the league here. We're going to give everything back. So I think that's the biggest thing. And Lindy, you're going to say something there. I'm sorry you got cut off, but I'll let you start off this next topic that kind of transitions off of that. It's about being one of those top players of the division three level. Let's use one of your alumni as an example. Walker Harris was in this league. I know it seems a while ago for me, but as my first year, the two thousand and fifteen sixteen season kid from Colorado goes to Leslie and helps them when the nest KAC this year. I'm sure he wanted to see how far they could have gone in the NCAA tournament. But an he wins the award, the Joe Can Canon Award for the Best American born college hockey player in New England at the division two and three levels. That's a kid from Colorado that comes in, plays for you and then wins that award at Lesleian. I know that seems like a maybe a stress first for some future recruits, but how do you use your alumni to really, you know, put the icing on the cake and say this is why you should trust what we're doing here? In Walker was a tier two player growing up in youth hockey and he really developed in the you know, obviously a hell of a player and he actually had the vision one looks too. I think it's huge that use your alumni. I mean I've another player that was with me for three years, outs Wilkinson. He was a defenseman of the year at the Vision one army there sophomore year all rugby team and then he got the Individual Sportsmanship Award and was one of their captains. So having a strong alumni like that, you know, again, it helps the player trust the process, you know, and also I think it makes the players take a long hard look in the mirror, like what's my ability? Where am I at my overshooting? I think. I think that's hard for players that you know, like with the development process. I think a lot of players think there might be a division one player or there above division three. Again, like the guy's cell phone that vision three is. That's a hard level of play at nowadays, you know, and they're looking for twenty year olds. But yeah, the alumni huge, and Andrew cut off of that. He got an alumni recently sign a pro contract. Maybe not every single player wants to go play overseas, but when he got a kid like Kirk gutting, who plays for your program, goes in the wins a title at southern New Hampshire, was the goalie of the year there, then goes signs to play in France, how does that help sell your program? Well, Kurt's been he played for two years in the Eastern Hockey League, then he came in... a freshman and played big minutes. It's new around his junior year we were looking for a goaltender coach for our program and we decided to kind of go a different round and have a goaltender mentor so Kurt would come in on Monday afternoons and run our goal conder sessions and then, you know, if kids are going through something, you know if they want to bounce some ideas off of or need some maybe some you know, for help or something you know with them, throw some different ideas off of. They would go to curtain. Would you to attacks or get them front with them or, you know, have a meal with them, have a bunch of them and he's a huge impact in the program and rooms of getting our kids prepared for the next level and to seek now have an opportunity play overseas, something he's really earned and we're excited about it. So that's just another good success story coming out of the League. And then for another three guys here, they haven't got the chance to like about their alumni yet. I know you each have your own alumni success stories as well, but when you're recruiting, do you ever come across a player that you find yourself mentioning another alumni in the league? You know for example, do you ever talk about a Caden Prima? I know he's probably the one in you know, I don't want to say one in the million player in our league, but he's he's one of a very high number one that will eventually play in the NHL and he was in this league a few years ago and probably one of the best players to ever play in the EHL. Do you ever find yourself mentioning like, yes, our alumni have accomplished this, but look at these alumni are also accomplishing this from across the league. Yeah, I use mikey Robinson as an example all the time. I mean the kid that played, I mean it wasn't premier, was a matt time, but he played on our on our B team and then our EHL team and then went off to the USHL and he's draft. He was drafted by San Jose in the third round and he's started to Unh so he's a kid I talked about all the time. You know, Blak bride out of the Air Force, another kid that we talked about a lot. You know, just climbing that ladder, starting off in our league and then he want Ehl and a usahl Division One and so one of those guys we talked about. Yeah, I think those are, you know, the but I use those guys. You know, I imagined bride and I don't even know he is. I just look at his path and say, if you want something similar to that, it's possible. There's another player. Are Max Andre off of play for Craig Dramas and Bobby Durigo to the same steps. The HL and a USAHL now is division one and in a super impact of division one which will hopefully to pro so I think those steps are there. It's certainly shown in past players and I think is, you know, understanding those guys, are knowing those guys. Again, none of those guys have come from my program but I had to do my homework and research for my guys as well say hey, look, there is an opportunity to do that, you know, and I view that's what you want. It's certainly available to you. Was I supposed to use other guys teams as examples for adually? Yeah, yeah, pump your own tires on them, but that's all right well, but the point of it, the point of it is is that we touched on a little bit earlier. Touch on it in this topic. I think what you guys do well in the rest of the coaches in this league is you recognize that you can succeed in this league, whether it's with your respective programs or with somebody else, and I think it's all a nice transition to our last topic here. I'm not going to ask for like an elevator speech from east you guys, but with the way this offseason is gonna play out and not many tryouts for guys and they're everyone's kind of sitting at home until a hockey starts off, I can you know, what do you tell these players? You know, some kids may have three or four options and their parents are telling them you got to pick one and you got to follow that path to a tea, because it's like the the economic hardships that some people may go through are probably not talked about enough,...

...but something that could be a huge impact here. How do you how do you convince these players that of all the options you have, trust what I'm saying. Here's what you have to do this offseason, then come join us in the fall. Well, I think this offseason will kind of excuse me, I could to kind of cut through the bullshit. You know, some of the kids we have who we want to have in the program, instead of them going to six or seven North American league camps or a camp up in Canada, they're going to see a good opportunity in front of them with a good program that can get him to college and they're going to need to make a decision because those other opportunities are not going to exist. So it's going to kind of cut through that a little bit and some of the in the good organizations are going to have great teams. From the fault, I agree. I think it's it helps. It helps us because those kids that we talk to that hey, you know what, like going to this camp, this camp, this camp and Bulth Blah, and now they can. So they're sitting at home and you know, tell all the guys just do your research. You know, if you're not going to play for me, at least like us of research and find a good program that has a stability, coaches that have been there for a while and proven track record of moving guys on to school and you know, and you can't go wrong in our league if you're playing for you know, for for the teams that can do it. But again, like like, and you to say there's no camps for these kids to go to. You know, so it's I think it does benefit us. And on the financial part of it, you know, with with contracts, parents are a little hesitant, you know, because a lot of people don't have jobs and you know, we're not a free league. So with you know, for us we've kind of been a lot more flexible with with kids in terms of a deposit, you know, saying hey, you know what, like the once it's a fur seventh and you want to sign. You know, if you got to hold off on the deposit until this whole thing goes by, like, that's fine. You know, let's tackle that when it comes. We want you here and, you know, let's get it done. Yeah, I think it's basically players now more than ever, shouldn't be chasing league labels and and things like that in terms of where they play. They should go to programs and play for coaches that they believe in and they trust him and know that that coach and program is going to get them to the next level. And that's real. Really what we're telling our families is is, you know, lock yourself in somewhere, you trust because you don't know how this offseason is going to shake out. You don't know if there's going to be camps, you don't know if there's going to be, you know, opportunities to run around and and and find something different, find something that you believe in, that you trust, and lock it in and prepare yourself for the next level. Prepare yourself as an individual to join the team in August and being a better player and prove one percent every day over the off season. Find a good place, find a good home. I think that's a great message for families and players out there and once you find that, lock yourself in and prepare for next year. All right, guys, I want to thank you for your time and this is kind of a little bit different of a podcast. It's the first time, on the ease of that I've had more than one coached on at the same time. We had five of you on, so a little bit of different look for the podcast, but a lot of really useful information for the players at home, because this is going to be a very unique offseason, that's for sure. So thank you and good luck with the recruiting. Thanks, Neil. Good luck, Neil, get the dust off that Peloton in the background. Thanks for listening to the e show. Learn more at Eastern Hockey League Dot Org and follow us on Facebook, twitter, instagram and Youtube. Also, be sure to subscribe and get notified when next week's PODCAST is...

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