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Team of the Week (Lumberjacks) | Episode 78

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On this week's episode of the #EShow we feature a program that reached the 2021 Frozen Finals with both their EHL and EHLP teams. The Vermont Lumberjacks battled through anything and everything this past season, including relocating to Waterville Valley, NH for the 2nd half of the year. Jim Mosso is forever proud of what his organization accomplished (1:11), and getting a taste of the finals is hopefully just the beginning of what's to come in the future. As always, we wrap up our Lumberjacks team of the week feature by putting together the program's all-time lineup (26:03).

Welcome to the e show with Neil Raven. With over one THO NCAA commitments, the ehl is the proven path to college. Turn it up and learn more about the college placement leader at the division two and three levels. Welcome to the east show, presented by the play box foundation. Foundation's mission centers around their daily motto we take care of our own as they help out all of those within the hockey community who've experienced a catastrophic event. Learn more at play box foundation dot Org. What's up? My name is Neil Raven. This is episode number seventy eight of the e show and on this week's episode feature a program that reach the two thousand and twenty one frozen finals with both their EHL and EHLP teams. The Vermont lumberjacks battled through anything and everything this past season, including a relocating to Waterville Valley, New Hampshire for the second half of the year. Jim Mosso is forever proud of what his organization accomplish, and getting its taste of the finals is hopefully just the beginning of what's to come in the future. As always, we wrap up our lumberjacks team in the week feature by putting together the programs all time line up. Joy Now by Jim Moss of the head coach and general manager for the Vermont Lumberjacks. Has It going? Jim and Nell? Good here. How's it going with you? It's going well and join the offseason and welcome back on the east show. I want to make sure to have you guys on relatively around this time of summer, so we all got a chance to kind of decompress from the year that was and what a year it was for your program when you look back on it. I'm sorry there's so many thoughts that come to mind, but what's maybe the biggest takeaway from the two two thousand and twenty one season? I think that was definitely the biggest emotional roller coaster I've been on in my life. And you know, it's funny because after the season we were just going through the phones and kind of just looking at pictures and stuff at the end of the year and and I was scrolling back and we have a file and we were looking at pictures from training camp where we were here in Vermont and you know we were it was a kind of a normal training camp. Like you know, we were playing, we did the kickball tournament at Lettie Park, like we did the we did the bonding and hazing and then and then the fun day at the Rosales has family home and I was just looking at pictures in it. It feels like it's like three or four years ago. You know, it's just strange to look back at September in in understand that that's still the same season that you just finished. It doesn't. It doesn't seem like it's been one year and it seems like it's been two or three and obviously a lot of a lot of people know that you had to move to Waterville valley for that for the year. You move there halfway through the loaded question I guess you could say, is this, how did you keep your group together and of course the lumberjacks act as a whole organized station. How does he just keep both teams together and engaged? I think you know, this is one of the times we're doing the little things right pays off. You know, we've been building a culture here, we've been building a brotherhood. You know, for the past three years or players or staff, the families, we've been very proud of what we're doing here. You know, regardless of the wins and losses and team success on the ice, like we've we've done a lot in terms of making people feel good teaching, you know, we get kids come here and they leave, you know, young men ready to succeed in life, and I think we've just built a culture where guys do not want to leave. I would I would give a lot of credit to Jack Lowery, who was coaching with me. Obviously it's just the two of us with fifty kids, and any time you move to a different state in the middle of the season, like there was a point in the year where we didn't play a game for two straight months, you know. So with the amount of teams and leagues and everything...

...in junior hockey, it's very easy for players to just jump ship and go somewhere else. So for players to not do that over the two months in the middle of the season that that's really the best part of looking back and seeing the players actually stuck together and that's kind of what makes this run and being able to make it to the frozen finals with both teams and being in Philly on that but on the bus was packed. But you know, that right, the right to Philly was you know, a bitter suite and that we just went through so much just to be able to see it down. There was just an awesome ending to what they went through. Yeah, I want to get to that in a moment, but there was one particular spot in the year where I thought, if he can keep this thing to get is still then that would be a miracle. I had actually gotten in my car. It was beginning of December and yet it's actually when you had first moved to Waterville Valley. Right. Your first game of Waterville valley wasn't until January, but you would actually move there with the intensits of playing in December. And then there was a positive case. The whole thing got shut down and everyone went home. When, when the team went home for winter break, whether any thoughts in your mind, like who's really going to come back here after the New Year? Yeah, you know, I won't tell I won't say his name on the air necessarily, but you know one of our captain's who has a great future ahead of them. You know his dad kind of brought me in at when this thing was getting shut down and just the dad really was nervous about his son's future and you know and I didn't, I didn't not understand them, you know. But you know, I think what I said to the dead was like look, you know we're in this situation. You've been here for a couple of years. You understand what it's going to be like. I just need you to trust us and buy into the process. And I said there's two things that are going to happen. If you and your son walk away, and he's one of the three leaders of the team, that will send panic through the locker room and and everything might just collapse right there. I said, but if you stay, you know that I can turn this thing around and we can do this together. And you know, I'm just I'm just asking you to just trust the process and and believe in us as a staff and an organization. At this point in time, you know, we had already gone through not being able to play through November. We put together that southern run trip. We were on the box and headed south and we got the phone call from the state troopers to turn it around or else, you know. So we had already gone through K like we're we can't play in Vermont. We found a location, we found a home for fifty kids and housing and a way to feed ourselves and like we got set up up there. So it's like, you know, he saw, he was able to at least see what the setup was in New Hampshire and to see that, as long as we can just get started and not have any major suthing box, but we had a we had a path towards the end, you know, and I think if we somehow all got covid like on the way up to New Hampshire, didn't get to get settled in, didn't get to practice at all and they didn't know what it looked like, I think it might have been a different outcome. But I think the leaders in that group, reduzy Schmidt, you know. Finally, I think they're the real reason the kids stuck behind them, you know, because when those kids stood solid, you know, everyone else just just got in line. I think those three are really the people to kind of give credit to in this situation. And through it all your teams had played single digits and, in terms of their games, a little by the front of the calendar year, and you know, I know that you always have...

...confidence in your team, but did you ever waiver and thinking that both teams could make it to the finals or just through the entire ride you knew you can make it? That's a tough question. I'm trying to like go back in my mind in terms of where I was. I know that when we started in September I knew that both teams could have been powerhouse teams. You know, obviously we started off strong. We beat Walpole two of the three games in the game we lost, like me out shot them by like thirty or something, and they're one of the best teams in the League right. So you know, we had we had won some big games. We beat we beat Worcester early. Obviously we beat valley early. So in the two months while, you know, obviously we got off to a hot start and then for two months were just sitting there watching the other teams play and we watch while Paul start to make their run. You know, obviously the the warriors and the railers started to make their runs and we just kind of watching, kind of matching up who we could be based on what we played against and see how they're doing it. They're doing well. So like we've got to be near the top of the team. So I think I think we knew on paper we had teams that could make a huge push. Obviously this is my sixth year in the EHL, so I'm kind of familiar with what a strong team looks like. Yeah, but man, it was fresh. I mean we went into Christmas, we came into the new year with only nine games played. I remember that. And the other teams in our conference. I remember the Sea Coast Spartans had twenty five games already played. I remember, you know, Sorella's team with the avalanche obviously, you know, always considered a strongest or the strongest team in the League some years. You know, they were at like twenty two, twenty three games played and we're at not. So while we had good players on paper, we were so far behind in terms of experience that, you know, we're playing in game ten against the Seco Spartans, who's playing game twenty six right. So like clearly their systems in their game experience, we're not even in the same part of the season as each other, you know. So it's just, you know, I knew we were going to have to struggle, but I think it's one of those things in the locker room where your you can't give up. You know you you so you just find a way to get it done. And you know we took we took a lot of lumps early in January. We were in, so we were in all of the Games. We just couldn't get over the hump. So we just had to change our our mentality and we just had to learn from our mistakes immediately, because obviously we were going to make them, but we had to not make the same big mistakes twice and once we got to the point where we were just eliminating the big mistakes, we were able to just play. And you mentioned Jack's name earlier. To have him got out as part of the support system. How much does it mean to you? Everything? I mean you know jacket. For those that don't know, he's in his mid s. You know he's got his old school style of coaching in general. But the best part about coach Jack is he is positive, no matter what. You know, and I could tell you stories of things that have happened and kids we've dealt with and situations that have come up. We're like I'm ready to just I'm done with a situation, and he finds the silver lining. As like coach we can you know like will be okay. Will be okay. And he's one of those guys that in this situation he is always positive, you know. So when you have another guy with you that's pushing for the positive and and thinking positive all the time, that's the only way you can get out of a hole. You can't you can't think negative and get out of a hole.

So I think that is by far one of the best things Jack brought to this group of players. So I need one story then. Can you tell the story of when you guys share the news with him that he was named coach of the year? Yeah, now he's coach. Jack is one of those guys that never likes to take credit night, never likes to be the face of anything, like you know, if teams taken a picture, he standing in the back like maybe you don't even see him. You know, he just he's all. Everything he does is for everyone else. So obviously his teammate a huge push and and you know, they ended up taking out the avalanche in the semi finals to get to the frozen finals, and the avalanche may have had the best team. You know, they might have actually had the best team in the in the League, so they may have. Yeah, it's definitely an upset, you know, but find a way to get those kids and go through that like he just did it. He just did a great job and our program accomplished things that, you know, nobody, nobody thought was possible. I remember sitting, you know, with you and one of the owners in our conference and, you know, a saying like at the end of December, January, like we should know who the best team is. And well, you know, I just sat through that and just nod in my head and, you know, so to be able to just go through into what we did when no one predicted us, you know, no one was expecting us. You know, I think it was very obvious that he did such a good job. He should have gotten coach of the year. I thought it would have been obvious to him, but he just he wasn't even considering it, you know. So, like when we told him, he just burst out in tears and he hugged every guy in the room like four times and just a very emotional I think that that might have been. I think, if it asked him, that was probably that the highest point of his coaching career. Of how we felt. You know so, and you brought that news to him down in Philly. You brought up philly early on, also when he arrived in Philly and the whole week place itself out. Did it feel like closure to you from the year before, or was it bitter sweet and not getting a chance to see things through with the two thousand and Nineteen Twenty team? Both? You know, I think it was closure in that we got to experience the frozen finals, you know, because for three years now we've been you know, three years ago with the emath group, we had the wizards. We were up to to one in the final ten minutes of that series in game three. So like we were, we were one goal away from getting there two years ago. You know, I would say it's it's the the bitter part of the bitter suite is, you know, the buffling to skinny you group, the way that team was built, their durability, that how they were just an offensive team. They they average six goals a game. They didn't take big mistakes, they were physical, they'd be just beat teams up. You know, our third and fourth lines were a perfect matchup against other teams first lines. We had won the series against all of you know, the other three top teams in the league that were destined to be there that year. In my heart, I believe that that group was was going to win the championship, and especially when we got to see the makeup of the frozen finals, where it was, you know, four games in five days, and that team could have handled it. You know, we had it, we had the depth, they just had they had the written mentality. I do believe that that team, you know, you got got jipped of a championship. You know, so it feels good to get back there, but I felt like our best team that we've had the chance to win with didn't even get a chance to play for it, you know, and that's always going to burn as a coach. Yeah, because the two seasons prior to that you had the wizards. Each year got knocked off by him each year.

I remember the game that you're talking about. Actually, I believe that your second goal in that game got called back because of a high stick, if I remember correctly. To Yah. Yeah, that was just any of those high stick and and I looked on the video and like it was dead, even with a crossbar, like any you know, it's a coin toss in terms of if you call it a high stick, or you call it a goal. You know, the the what sucked about that series was, you know, the wizards had the buy in the first round and we had to play the best of three against the rough riders on like a Friday, Saturday Sunday and turn around and play the series against the wizards on the next Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you know. So we played, you know, five games and nine days or something and the other team had a buy and, you know, em off got a skate to his leg in the first period of game one, so we were playing without our best player in that second series and it's just like everything just kind of stacked against us. I I think that team should have been to the frozen finals to really you know, that team went seventeen and two in the second half of the season to make a drive from like, you know seventh place or whatever to up the third and to be where they were. So we've just been so close for so long that it was nice to get to see it, and that's kind of the closer part of the question that I was asking there, to finally break through and make it to the finals. And I think when I look back on the finals, yes, there's always going to be a team that walks away from it ecstatic because they won the championship. But from the League perspective, every team won a game, so I can't ask for anything better than that. But the overall experience and the level of play between those four teams. Are you of the belief that if we play out that that stress of days, thought for different times, by different times at different team could win each time? Yeah, I think if he gave us ten more days, I think we could have won. You know, I think we were still learning, we were still putting in systems and learning and getting better even through playoffs, you know. I mean if you look at you know, the Rangers won this year and we played them one time and we beat them. You know, we played the avalanche, you know, who was in the finals. We played them how many times this year and we split with them? Fifty right. So, like you know, we we beat the two teams in the finals, you know. So it's kid when you think about it like that. Like we had the team. I think give us another ten days of experience, I think we maybe we win that series. And I have to ask one of my favorite moments of the finals. I don't have all the Tiberga scenario still on my head, but there was a moment when you looked over, Adam hooly, I believe I couldn't hear what you were saying, but I believe you had the idea of maybe going to empty nets against each other. Yes, that is that what was is that the message that was shared? Yes, yeah, I believe it was. I think hi called it. It was a scenario where there was only like a minute left or something. Yeah, and wholly called a timeout to figure out what they needed to do to move van. And there's obviously tiebreaker scenarios because it's around Robin. So what we needed to do? We wanted to win in regulation. Yeah, give ourselves that point, so that the Rangers had to beat up, beat the avalanche and regulation to beat us. So we wanted to find a way to win in regulation, not just get to overtime and win in overtime. And at the time, what was it? Was it tied or were they up one? I think they were up are they I think it was tied. I think it was tight. I think it was. It was five five and they were in a situation where, because of the tieebreakers, they want. They had to win by two and...

I heard one of their their they Adam looked up to his players up in the stands to you know, they were doing the math of the typewriter and of the thats out. You have to win by two pole them and I heard that and you know, we're in the time out of Jack's talking my players, like I'm trying to get Adams attention and I just say, Adam, double Paul, Double Paul, and he looks at me and I just saw him like his mind for ten seconds. His mind goes to he's like, you know, and I'm just like at the PUCK was in the neutral zone. The thing so neutral zone. It's not like it was in one team's end. So it's just like if we I mean, I'd rather one of us make it, then that that point it's like, you know, rolling the dice. Who Cares? So we almost did it, but you know, I will I will say like I was willing to do it. The sevens decided, you know, now it's just let's just play. But yeah, I was ready. You know, if he said yes, I was going to I was going to do it. I would have called my time out right after and and, you know, got the chalk talk out and what I played six on six. I still say, you know, obviously the the championship game went to overtime, so I have to label that as they be the best game of the week. That game between your two teams, eighty seven the lumberjacks, entertainment wise, may have been the second best that because there were some high, high scale goals back and forth and and I just awesome. I think that game was great. I thought our game against the Rangers was probably the highlight for us because we were down by two with five minutes left. We got a power play, pulled the goalie to make it six on four. Scored that, yeah, to get within one on the next shift, you know, with the infamous whistle from the stands. So we you know the whistle from the stands. For the those that didn't watch, I mean it, you know. There was just some dad whistled first for no reason. It sounded like the real whistle, so all the kids on the I stopped playing. Are you know, I said I was actually Dorn. I said Dore and play like I could tell it wasn't a real whistle, you know, and he just flipped the Puck to the far Blue Line and one of our guy is up front realize the play was still going to and ended up with the breakaway, tight it up and, you know, I think you know, we just kind of caught the the Rangers confused and you know, they panicked a little bit and we just had all the momentum and we just kind of steam rolled over to the top. It got a little lucky and you know, they tried to pull their goalie and we turned the Puck over at center ice when their goalie was halfway to their bench and she's you know, I think that for us that might have been, you know, the coolest game of the year, but I think the sevens game was. No, that was a back and forth one as well. Exactly. And before I bring Jeff on to put together what will be another very stout all time line up, in preparing for that section of this podcast, obviously there's gonna be the the obvious names that stand out in your history, that the Candy Os, the Buffal Lines, corey done, you name it. But the trend that I've seen is there's a lot of players that spent time with you at the ehlp level when you were the EH l pea coach and then they climb their way up to the EHL team. Case and point caught our CARBO. Yeah, was that always a mentality of yours? Is that the is that with the message that you sold while recruiting? How did it all play out like that? Yeah, I mean that's something our program takes pride in. You know. We try to give every opportunity to our premier players to grow from within. You know, I think it just happened to be I was the premier coach, you know, and I just happened to be fortunate up to get an opportunity to climb within the program myself. So if you just look back and kind of just the way we've operated, I didn't necessarily know that's how it was going to play out as it was happening, but the players that learned to do well at...

...the Premier Level While I was coaching and then got called up and they got an opportunity to move up, they just happen to do really well too, you know, and I think that shows just the long term plan of how we were coaching, how we were teaching, you know, and you look back and it's funny because we've had a lot of really, really good players come through a program, but the players that have been in our program the longest and started with premiere moved up to Ehl, are actually the best players we've ever had go into college hockey. You know, like you know just scanyo has the League record right now for for the EHL. He started with Premiere and was a three year product and move up within the system. Bufflen would be, you know, are all time leader if it weren't for this. Can you know? They played side by side for three years and you know he came to us right out of high school, played for Premiere. He had the league record for Premiere points that year. Carbo played premiere, moved up and you know the his story at Wentworth. Yet cory done, which is arguably the best player we've ever had like that, kids going to play pro hockey. He played a year of Premiere em off. He led the League and points for a time. He had the record and premiere points. See E pay premier. So the guys that have bought into the process and didn't care about you know, this team, that team just wanted to get better and didn't matter where they started or whatever. Just just really bought in our there are highest end prospects we've had. Yes, I think that's really cool story to show. You know, not that we just get a kid out of the NA, come in for one year, lighted up and go like the kids that are kind of become a homegrown are the ones that have had the highest career at the end, for sure, and that's a perfect transition into your all time a lot of segment here. So I appreciate you coming back on the podcast and enjoy the rest of the offseason. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me now. Thanks again to Jim Moss overcoming on the podcast this week and with that let's welcome in Jeff. Now, Jeff, after all the talk about how much Chris wanted to be on this week, we had to, I don't want to say settle, but we had to go back to we had to go back to one of his former players instead, and Jim Mos. So it all works out. We're staying in the North for state of the north. The Ramon lumberjacks will be going back to Burlington Vermont this year will not be playing in the handsfirty war. The divisions back to normalcy. But Chris where are you, man, will see. We'll see you next week there. Yes, exactly, and I guess we should acknowledge in this segment because you just mentioned the north. Of course I what do I what did I go by during the nail the year Neil from the north, you know, from the north, and FN and and after night one of the frozen finals, I looked like an absolute genius. I have to say that again. Obviously it did not play out that way, but I was a genius after night one of the finals, if you were. But let's start building this all time roster for the lumberjacks. And what's kind of unique about where we're at right now? Last week we had the Walpole Express who, yes, they were an original six team, but we've kind of been in this trend of the teams that came in one year after the League started. So the the lumberjacks the very first year of the League, two thousand and thirteen fourteen, did not exist. It was actually the Washington junior nationals at the time and then they were sold to Vermont. So they came in the same year as the East Coast Wizards. They came in the same year as the New England Wolves, and they've all been in ever since then, in two thousand and fourteen fifteen. They've been around for so long that they feel like an original team. But they're just not quite with one year off. They're just a bit outside. They literally, I mean just like the wolves, just like the wizards like and they've only...

...had. Also said they only had two coaches in their stright through doctor de Castillo and then and then Jimmy. That's it. That's it. That's it, two coaches and I have to think if I add an EH L P I don't think there's many more than three when you add jack has Jimmy. Jimmy was coaching the EHLP team for a while. I think he's I think he's one of the he's probably the only coach and either division that's ever won the coach of the Year award twice. And if you want, he want what either division? No one, no one's ever repeated in the Eh Shel and right here Jimmy one coach of the year twice and H LP. That's so and I'm sure he feels like he could have won coach of the year last year in the EHL espect for the run they went on we should. Jack took some Hart were for the organization at that's three out of those you three of those years you got the remote number Jacks with the coaches of the years. So yes, and and I know I mentioned it in my interview with Jimmy, but the job that both him and Jack did, and you kind of mentioned it, we first started there just to keep like just a hold everything together last year with what that program had to go through, because every state was so different. But for some reason Vermont was just as strict as any. And I want to say when they hit the winner break, their game tolls were like nine and eight, ehl and EHLP, something like that. And then they stay they were like sixty three and wond er something like six and three, and was like they had to had to play so many games in the second half each but then they both make the freaking frozen finals, right. That's and that's the we kept like pounding that right there in the frozen finals week. They like to play was the Jimmy said. They we like to play in the mud. Neal and Jeff and they went through quite a bit of month throughout the season. And you know what's so funny and we're as we now dive into the line of stuff. I think even Jim would acknowledge this. Last year's ehl lumberjacks team wasn't one of their. It's not the sexiest. It's all the best. I think the year before was the best. I mean all absolutely. We all wanted to see what that team was going to do in the playoffs. I think it's obvious where we start with the line up, because you have to start with Logan to scany Oh, if you go anywhere else besides of sport and you haven't been watching this team seven years. Yeah, so logan to Scanio played three seasons for the lumberjacks and this record of a hundred and ninety four all time points that they hold for a while. Yeah, like like. So that's that is tough to get to. And he's got the Gretzky stats of our EHL number ninety nine, although this canny was what sixty five? So that's another of those high, high up numbers. Was He sixty five? I thought he was not even a high sixty. You know what, let's figure back to the SHO showcase. I'm looking at the wrong year. That's why he's not showing up and it's like, Logan, would you go forty four hundred and forty four? That's what it was. Forty four, sixty five. I vil Jordan, Buffalo and yeah, you, mefalon. That's where we have to go. That's what we have to go next. Yep, I was gonna say those two are line beats. Both were unbelievable part of that one thousand nine hundred twenty team that will never know how they would have done in the frozen finals, but it's so it's kind of frustrating. Right asked to have to look at it as frustrating. Like they that team was lined up to face the avalanche. It was supposed to be lumberjacks avalanche and Rangers Wizards, and those are the two series, two teams would go to the finals. And it's just like that lumberjacks ab series was going to be awesome. Vermont beat the ABS three of their four matchups, you know,...

...during the year, and it's just then we could have seen possibly what we saw game one of this year's for the finals, Rangers, lumberjacks and the the actual championship. You never know, never know. A party buyers last dance in the frozen finals, Yep, or he left. I mean they made it. They made it once under his watch. Yep. So for for Buffalo Line, and this can you a small cup of coffee as well to scanny. Of Majority of his time was in the EH shell. He had five games in the EH LP but, as I mentioned before, a hundred and ninety four points in the H L and a hundred and thirty thirty five games buffal line. You can say we've checked it off. Jeff, he had a season in the EH LP and then two seasons in the EHL and now they're actually together at une. That's right. New England's the canny. Oh the scanny was first out of up to go to you, Mass Boston, but you know, we're going back in the in the time portal here. You Muss boss was one of the first schools that said they weren't playing last year, remember that? And that was like midsummer and everyone was like, oh, these guys are crazy, it's got to pass by then. No, they're less. They were the smart ones, honestly, yeah, but like no, we're not going to do this rick of rolls you next year. But it worked out that, you know, the scanny was able to go to you and e with his linematee and it's just funny. They're there with Billy Gerard from the Rangers right and I have to ask them at some point, like, how often do you guys talk about who would have won if you had both made it to the finals? You know what I mean? They let's talk. Definitely, come on, it's definitely come up Ras each other in practice about it. Someone takes a good shot on Billy and Oh, I want to sunk that measter. Them look like a Schneider arena. They believe. So obviously those were two for words that we knew we were going to just scandy with ninety one points his last year, and the EHL and Buffalo, I'm just under seventy, had sixty nine of his own. They were just they were just awesome throughout their time in the league. I need to find the all times to the sixt that's what I'm looking for here, as you see me fumbling around, chef. Another big thing Tunio was looking at. I didn't realize they besides the first year, they made the playoffs every year. Yeah, ob Jeck, so I mean. And just look at some of these forwards that are up here, like we've already we obviously got one in two covered in the scandy. Oh and Buffal line. I want to go next to Kyle McDonald. I actually remember. I it was the one seventeen eighteen words I've heard. Well, it was the seventeen eighteen year. So McDonal another eh LP for a season, then climbed up with coach Mosso to the ehl. Is that Nichols? Now? I remember when the wizards knocked off the lumber Jackson two thousand and seventeen eighteen to advanced to go face the avalanche, who eventually won the championship. But I remember standing on the platform, whatever we call it on this podcast, that the wizards by contraption, and Kyle McDonald had an't took a knee on the Blue Line after the game was over and he was the last one on the ice and he just sat there for a while and I went up and actually talk to him afterwards. I was like, Kyle, you had like a fantastic career in the EHL. You know, you should be proud of everything. Obviously unfortunate to see the season and the way that it did and he goes. Honestly, I wasn't upset on the blue and I was just taking it all in. I was like, Huh, he goes. You just spend three years of your life doing something like focused. He's from he's from Vermont Right. He spent at the high he spent three years with the lumberjacks and now he's at nickels. He's like it's just going to be totally different and jet and like just to see their here that perspective and thinking...

...that was more just about, you know, it sucks, W loss. I think he was kind of it was more like looking at it, with it with a sense of gratitude, if you will. You I just I always remember that that moment for some reason. So and that's not why he's on this list. I mean he was a fantastics player, three player, three years, as I mentioned, with with the program and he's technically it was the scandal number one, Buffalon, number two, Mac Donald, number three, a hundred and ten points of his own thereout, you said, just another one of those ehl commercial projects, if you will. One of those guys put up points in the HLP came up with his coach. That's always nice to especially for both of them right I mean it's it's a comfortability thing for for McDonald in for for Jimmy when he was transitioning to coach the AHL team, to be able to take up somebody that was able to produce for you at a high level in the premier league and then bring him up to the next level and he continue to produce. That was good for both sides and anyone on to go play some college hockey. And Nichols still there. So I got to be selfish last week for a moment. You did as well with Walpole and in terms of the sands, it's I know you're going number eighty two, like I have to to like Egan is actually next to my list behind you. Guess I'm it was my boy last year and like every game I would call, he come up to me afterwards and be like was that enough points for you? Not Quite quite. If you want to just keep going like he was, he honestly, I know Taramanti won the MVP and it's not a shot at Taramanti. He deserved it. Like one of the next guys had to be smitt. Oh, yeah, for sure. He was so good for this team. Sixty four points and forty two games, twenty five on the power play for shorthanded, seven game winners, like any just played the game the right way, right, like he played all two hundred feet, never gave up on anything and down the stretch, like I look, we can go to the game block here. There was a stretch late in the year where it was just like getting silly, like right here there's a very use fun the buckets of points for you, as we were getting. Look at look at this was. Look at this five games stretch where he put up fourteen points in five games, three game winners. Like two points was a bad day of work for him. Wasn't put in three or four points. And like this one, no points, but they won right. So I was kind of like he could come on, man, he didn't need a couple more from you today. Yeah, we'll see how this is group. You'RE gonna go with Egan there, if you're going to go with your your nephew, if we remember from story time to well, we're we're not quite a bit. We're not quite at the D yeah, we're gonna get for going to go sprinkle back and forth. We could go forward. Do we haven't done that yet, but we'll get we'll definitely get to the d but that kind of keeps with the trend or working down. Right now we've got one, two and three and actually now for top scorers in a row, five, a little bit of a throwback, name DOC UZ ZAC. Yeah, was in the League probably back when I started. Right. Yeah, Fifteen, sixteen and sixteen, Seventeen. I mean look at the look at the jump he made from year one to year two. Year one twenty nine points, year to sixty two. So I'm just going to come back next year and just double my production quickly. It's gonna press the press the speedbers button and just dump a bunch of points in the back of minute. And then stayed up in the Vermont Burlington area and and now is at Castleton. So I think we have to kind of keep with this trend. I know what it's kind of awkward that we're just working down the top scorers, but they all deserve to be here. Yeah, absolutely, Don actually, let's see who wants we have? Oh, base yard, Yep, making it down the list. was another big one from the earlier years of the Lumber Jackson, I remember, and you base guard, another will probably have to have a roster at some point of players that were on Mosso's EHLP team and then worked with him up to the EHL...

...team because he was part of it. Like look, you look at these, these jumps in production. It's first EH LP year. Twenty one points is second seventy four. What what just happened? How much work did you put in the offseason the video room, on the ice, combination of the two? So two for your player, two years with the EHLP team, two years with the Ehl and then staying kind of in that area, across the lake, if you will. Yeah, over over to Sunny Plattsburgh. So we'll put this country up there exactly, but a big time school that loves our league. So because to see him well the sun, he's so that actually as the top six scorers in a row. Right again, it makes sense because these guys are all and you look to it's guys were three year players for your players, like yes, I just Oh, it's go pick everyone. That was a top point together, because we haven't really we haven't really done that. We've kind of gone back and forth. You've done a good job of profile guys that were big for us at the you know, the Allstar Games, and stuff like that. That may have not put buckets of points up on the stash sheet, but yeah, longer Jackson scored a lot of goals. They like to put pucks in the back of the that that's for sure. It's true. So we got three guys that were in the hundreds in point totals, three guys that were in the S. that's half the forwards right for the next forward, because we've stuck with all down. We've stuck with all Americans so far. Say we're going to the north of the great white north. Mason em off was so good in this leek. Like was like so good in this leek. One the MVP award in the EHL P. Two thousand and sixteen seventeen. Here there's a smooth a hundred and six points. Are you have a cup of coffee? On the Neil raving fantasy squad on one point, I thought. I think he may have in two thousand and eighteen nineteen and honestly, you know, Mosso has talked about it before. He suffered a pretty tough injury in a playoff series against the wizards where it's kind it kind of had that same Donnie felman type feel from the wolves, like if he got a chance to plays. Is that series play itself out differently? And now he's at Manhattan Villain, you know, just one of the best downde earth kids, a true leader, was the captain on that two thousand and eighteen nineteen team and a playmaker true and through. So we'll go mason em off here and next. That gives us, you know, it's another big thing about him too, Nel, real quick, is that it looks like so he left, he was with the lumberjacks. Left what? He's a Canadian guy. Obviously went to the CCHL and then came back to the lumberjacks to be their captain in eighteen nineteen. I mean like we we talked about that with Jim at the frozen finals during his interviews, that they've built a culture up there, right. And I mean how about that? That guy goes to play juniors in the in where he's from and his home land and Canada. Yeah, and I was like, you know what, I want to go back and play with coach Mosso on the lumber Jackson Vermont comes back as a captain and had a heck of a year. Yeah, Yep, and you want to keep with this. CCHL to Vermont Trent has not committed yet, will be soon. Paul find lease was a Lineman for Egan Smith this past year. Five Times. Four Times they connected for a top play. Yeah, like a passing play, right. It was big in the frozen finals. He was. He was ever one number, that one passing play where I just felt you and I felt terrible for the sevens goalie, whoever it was that was in that like it like they had no chick. It was just legit, like a on. Oh, and it was just back, forth, back, fourth goal and it was like those we're John Kopecks, like out of this world. Yeah, that's it's seventeen points in the playoffs this year. Think. Is that right? Let's you know what we're going to do, Jeff. We're gonna go to the all time records page and we're going to see...

...where that ranked points leaders. Yes, so he put up seventeen. SCHMITT put up fifteen. That's fourth and fifth respectively on the history of the LEA. and think about it like this. Right, the years that are ahead of them. Conter Powell, two thousand and fifteen sixteen, Joey savell and Alex Peterson, sixteen, Seventeen. Those guys are only, you know, one, two or three, four points ahead of them, with exponentially more games played in the playoffs. Right, right, because those are the best of three rounds and then the best of five, and the formats obviously changed the of the years. So if you want to talk about points per game, like the actual average number, their way higher. Paull, final lyast probably had well, one of the best postseasons in the history of the League. Yeah, I think is the only I think it said he only played seven games. So yeah, so he basically played like half the amount of games, but just these same one points seven games. Right, so let's I'm going to keep my search going here as we keep going. That's good. That gives us eight forward so far. I see how many Games Peterson played when he was twenty. Two points right in twelve. So so if Paul finally he's gets five more playoff games, can he get five more points in time? Definitely. The way he was going, he was screaming two points a game. I can't I hammer the over with that one. Yeah, all day, lad the Vegas. Let's go for call our friend Laurence Smith and put in some but it's a bed. So as imagined. That gives us eight so far. And this is where it's going to start to get tough, because those going to be a forward or two that doesn't end up on this list. But it's just how good they've been, like right. They've just had too many good forms, too many good forwards, right. Like you know, Davis Bone is believed to be coming back for another year, right. I thought he was stunned for them last year. Well, he's another guy too that he was up up from the top of the league this year for goal scored. Thank you. Finished with over twenty. It was round twenty. Twenty five goals scored. Pretty sure he scored the very first goal the frozen finals. Yep, I think so. I had them for hots. He was on my breakdown roster. Give me a little bit of a headache on trying to decide who's going to make it to the final rounds of fantasy, and I think I snipped him out and then he got real pissed and start putting up goals. So so he's a good player. I'm not sure if you're going to if you're gonna remember this name, but Glenn Robotie, another player that moved on to Manhattanville. Not not the biggest Warner League, only five hundred and ten, but again throughout his time, another guy with this is actually almost dead on seventy seven points and seventy four games. We're right back there with the flirting on that line of points per game, on the good side of it. For this one. He's in the top ten. He's seven all time in there organization's history. So is that good? That's pretty good. It supposed robotie different way to doesn't spelt the same way that Glenn Robertie. That's that's interesting to he's Glenn Her Glenn, Glenn Knock Glen, like Glenn Robertie, Luke Robotie, the old family to play in the NHL for all those years. He's lead. He's Glenn. Yes, so that gives us nine. So we're tennally at real or we're at the fourth line now right, and I think, if I think I'm not, I'm not doing this because of what could happen on social media, but I but I will say if we don't put Austin Marinei where's literally look like that? Hold on, look at my pictures literally, and I know why. I looked an go. Oh, he likes the perciest othern made new. Oh, that helps, but like literally had him picked...

...up. I knew you'RE gonna call. Oh, he he is a riot on Instagram, right He. I think he messages me four or five times during that two thousand and nineteen twenty season and they all every time. He was like, whenever you want dony and I to do an instagram takeover, we got you, guys. I don't trust you to do it. Okay, I'll I think you're awesome guys. We had a we had a great time at the at the Allstar all star week, because they are a part of that team that went one, one and one. But I don't really know if I want to do it instagram takeover with you. But if we put his two line mates in Buffalo Line and the scanny Oh, but not him, we're gonna get some backlash. We're gonna get some backlash. So I mean that season he like obviously getting pair with those guys. They just puts you in the right position. Right. Yes, he had sixty points of his own that year and in forty eight games. So we'll go Austin Mariney. Next he's in one of those guys to the he was only there a year but felt like he was there for whatever. Yeah, like there's a lot of this guys in our League of like, Oh, you're only here for a year, feel like you were here for two and three years. I could just worn to see you for many and many a showcase and Nope, just one, just one year. So forward, US, a damn good forward. US rivals that of almost any team that we've done right. I feel like we keep saying that every week to we keep taking one more step up, step up, but and and next, I know we're on the quote unquote fourth line, the player that Kevin Fitzgerald turned into after his time in the EHL, and you can't deny that, right, like, yeah, he was on in the EHL two thousand and Fourteen fifteen, right, twenty two points and thirty six games. Spent two seasons with the Aberdeen Wings, who are one of the top teams in the NA. They've they won the championship two titles ago, lost in the championship game this year and then went on to St Cloud State, where he's spent four seasons. Right, they were in the frozen for this year. They would not. They were in the national title game this year. Yep, and they've always been a they've always been one of those teams. It's ranked on the top five consistently and I think he might actually does that look like he's come back another year. He has a covid year, I think so he might actually be going back there for one more. So I just saw two thousand twenty two and he was an assistant captain for that team this year that reached the title game. Right, yeah, we saw that was the team that. Yes, that was the team that lost to you, mask amherst. Right, Yep. Well, I championship game then. Nobody thought would be five nothing of whatever. What's whatever? I was a quickie. That was a quick one. So that gets us down to one forward, left one the forward. Do we kind of like and like anyone? That could be a good story. That I no, I'M gonna point I'm just gonna point out. We are some names that it could be. Right. I mentioned Davis Bone. Adam cruzier played alongside I want to say em off this two thousand and eighteen nineteen year now is at Fitzburg state. He was a fun player in this league. Connor Foley was part of that team also. Now is that Franklin Pierce? There's so many good options here. I remember Landon Machiniac was then we said it Mick MEAC. I think it was other one. He was there for almost ninety games. I want to say he played D also. Right, he was another one of those guys. Yeah, we got a couple of guys, I think, on this team that were he's got forward listed. We got four. Listen, I think he played D also. I want to say I also really struggle with that name a lot. It's like Mitchniac man. I think Jimmy's a home slam at his desk. L Chapmans, wow, I think I want to go in. Nate...

Foster. They floss through OKA. So he was part of the fifteen, sixteen and sixteen seventeen teams again went on to Nichols. Nichols, which a little bit of a little bit of a pipeline there, but he himself had sixty eight points in seventy six games. He was steady. He was part of he was part of an Allstar team and I don't remember which one I know. I know we brought him though I don't know we brought him even there. I think that was the year we faced the club all stars. But nate foster to me, I think, rounds out our twelve forwards, and rightfully he's the number these, the ten leading points getter and lumberjacks history. So that's funny, perfect sense. And did so in two seasons, right, so that we have a good balance of guys that spent three years, guys that spent two years and guys that spent one year. Yeah. So now now, for those that heard it earlier, we can get to my nephew. There we go this good story. Oh and I he's a damn good player. He was a damn good player. Good Kid, great kid. He had unreal speed and he called me Uncle Neil for some reason. But corydony was was one of the best defensemen, honestly, that's ever been in this league. Another one that went played with Mossol on the EHL P sixteen seventeen team, kind of went away for a year and spent two seasons with our with the EHL team. I would say he was one of the most outspoken players that they would have beat the ABS in that series. He definitely commented that a few times. Is that Sunny Platsburgh now and I think what stands out to me about him as, like the other alumni that have advanced a sunny Platsburg, they have like reached out and said, damn, this kid is good, like it's pretty significant. Like Anthony Dell to folk wristled, our partner of the League next to me at one point was like I didn't realize how good of a skater he was. Like he glides basically, it looks like he's just gliding, but he's going so fast that you can't keep up with him. So I think we got to put corydony their start, with him start. So that's kind of more recent, if you will, and then to work back further in the history, I gotta search the name. Here. Here we go, Marcus Komos. I remember because it was on the see from Switzerland Europe. There's some word over and overseas, lack of yeah, close, Oh, yeah, you know, Switzerland Law Google's. He was steady. Was a steady right like that. It's been a sees with the lumberjacks sometime in the NA and now is from Latvia to the University of Alaska. Fairbanks. She's so might be kind of similar, though I thought parts of all, that's your hur sipter. So we're well, what way do you fly, Jeff? West or East? I don't know. That's help, but he would like to fly over. What are you like to fly over the boast? I guess I just remember because his first year in the League was my first year in the League, Fifteen, sixteen. I remember him being one of the first players I saw and I was like, Damn, this kids pretty good. Yeah, and this with twoss has yes and deserve aly. So now plays, you know, his Division One hockey in Alaska. Kind of unique how it worked out for him that his NA career began in Pennsylvania then went to Alaska. So what all of a sudden done? When this college career is over, he'll have spent solid six years or so in a rown Alaska. So must enjoy everywhere. He must enjoy it, I think. So that gives us two of the D so far. WHAT ABOUT BARBER MEAL? That was another one.

Yeah, the hid my list. We have to put Andrew Barber here, another player that was an all star in this league and part of the Allstar team that faced the college teams. I know that one. I know that one for a fact and I want to say his brother played in the league also. My check on that for a second as I try, as I type A name here that's not even showing up. But his prospects like who, I believe his brother played for the New York bobcats when I first got into the leak. All the old Bob Kat's, royals, New York bobs long on royals. Yes, so, but Andrew was he was awesome in this league as a defenceman. Right, as a defenceman, he put up sixty five points of his zone. And and we said that there was kind of a nicols pipeline earlier with vermoncal. There's also a Castleton pipe one. So we got Andrew Barber in there. That gives us three of the sixty quickly, right, do you seem to go pretty quick for some of these teams, specially like the Lumberjackson, an offensive team. So I feel like they get a lot of offensive defenceman that can move the puck up, played in all three zones, kind of faster shooting guys and you just heat up the guy that was next to my list. Oh was he really tyler. Listen, red one was a captain and he was as name. He was just steady right, like he was never out of position. Came to the EHL after a few see four seasons at all. Body Academy points. Wise, I guess doesn't. It's different from Barber, put up thirty eight of his own. But you so, you remember seeing him always. He like he was just steady, played huge minutes and like was never at a position. Obviously heading to the study act. Didn't get a chance to play last year. One of those guys that now get a chance to be in his college career at this fall and it's going to be awesome to see him play at the next level because he will definitely get better and be a name that I think we'll be talking about for a little while here. Yeah, another studenty school. We like Potsdam, Potsdam Plattsburgh. We like the SP Suditi schools on the eastern side of the state, if you will, another place that's ways always away from both of us, for you being the Hampshire, quite a bit away from me violence. This is true. This is true. So that gives us four of the S D so far and I think that gives us three of the top D scorers. I know we had taught about this name earlier as maybe coming up in the utility section. Yep, so maybe we shift him down letter on, but we're going to include Dan Barry on the lineup somewhere. He was the van Wilder of the HL. I felt like he was in the league forever and now that we're seeing his EP page he was in the League for quite a long time. He did. was our monster. He was huge he first got in the League and two thousand and sixteen seventeen with the Boston junior rangers, right EHLP team. You can kind of say almost half of his time was with the Rangers, half of those with the lumberjacks. In terms of total games played he's kind of up there with anyone right. He so he had twenty five total games played the EH LP, twenty points. Get a hundred and forty total games play in the EHL for seventy four points. There is some forward time mixed in there right. For now, because we don't know how we're going to finish this thing, we're going to go, we gotta put him in the D section. Right. I'm okay with it. And then I just felt like I always saw him at the point on the power play for the lumberjacks. He's six five, two hundred and sixteen pounds, it was. He was a left shot, so I'm always seeing that stick lifted to the...

...ceiling. Yeah, he could be moved down to utility. Want to see who else we can trickle possibly to do that spot. A player that didn't put up as many points in the Eh Shell and then was a top like I think he was almost towards the top of all freshman scorers. And Two Thousand and nineteen twenty was James Beauvaire. I think that's how I want rooms. That's why I want to round round out our defensive cores. I think we have got to remember we having got the utility yet. Goalie, the first one's easy. I'll let you do your your thing. The dude all time ranks as the ninth winning as goalie and ehl history, with thirty nine wins. Carry the team this year there scored a lot of goals, but he made some unbelievable saves. He was one that we said of the Rozen finals week we felt, you know, kind of bad for he got lit up quite a bit during the frozen finals weekend saw teams put a lot of pucks on in his in his blue paint and we talked to him to write. We talked to him and he was he was dying to get to the frozen finals. He thought that his team the year before was going to get there and then finally got there this year. One of those goalies to very into it right. We used to see him for the Games. He was sit there do the tennis Paul thing, move his eyes as his headphones on. Would say very few words, but really Nice Kid in the hell of a one, hell of a competitor. The other goalie has something to do with the fact that he always reaches out to say hi, but also he also was an awesome kid and he almost willed Wentworth to the CCC championship two years ago, three years ago. Two years ago he went to Wentworth halfway through the year and then he knocked off you, Andy and curry, like with these out of this with out of its world numbers. Right. I think he put up like fifty something saves and one of those games and like those are top ten ranked division three programs. Two years of the EHLP team, two years with the EHL team and then now at Wentworth. I think he's got obviously didn't get a chance to play this past year, but following the rest of his college career he has a chance to be a stud throughout the next couple of years. Rose good and and he was great in this league as well. Won Twenty one games or so just in the EHL. We're going to tell you off number six playoff games. Is Goals against was under one. Will playoff years, Yep, or unders sorry, under one. So that gets us to the end here, right. And what do we how do we want to wrap this thing up? Is there? Is there another goalie that we need to recognize as their all? That's true, because this could be a forward, d this could be anybody. This could be anybody we want, because they've had had a couple other I was thinking Carbo, who's the other that the conon member, Kyle Connin. He had a good seam for them. You know, I think he was only their wants for what I think? I think I got it. I want, I'm tempted to say aiden La Valley. Oh, was he another one of your faves? Everybody, I'm tended to say a vast but if we're talking about a utility guy, frank mundy would do whatever coach Mosso said. Go play forward, I'll go play forward. Go Play D I'll go play D go play goalie, I'll go play goalie. Never, never actually did play goalie, but he we want. So if Masso asked them to, he would. This kid was was tough as hell. Did anything is seem want needed. Blotch shots, scored goals, assisted on goals. I think he is the perfect utility and I actually for when I send this off to Justin, our wonderful graphic designer, I'm going to leave it as forward slash t because he played both beautiful like. I'll take out the go. I'll take...

...out the goal because he never actually played goalie. Executive produce this material. Hopefully he likes that and that puts a smile on his face. He smiled a lot today after his lighting. One hundred and fifty one over the Montreal eating its a game one. So that will do it for the LUMBARD Jacks. As I mentioned, we're going to work back to Mosso's coach from his junior time next we are going to do the avalanche next week and I'm sure us. The avalanche roster becomes complete, Chris will point out to everyone that it's better than the lumberjacks roster. Therefore they would have won that playoff series, even though there you cannot even gel that all together, but that's how he'll look at it. A Hundred Rost be shocked of Christmas doesn't give us the rock. Here you go, guys. This is the roster. I didn't fin for us. I did a whore. I just want to make it easy for you to you know, that was a good one. I was a pretty good that was a pretty good chrystlas. All right. That will do it for this week. New Hampshire Avalanche next week. We'll talk to you then. Jeff, sounds good. See that new. Thanks for listening to the show. Learn more at Eastern Hockey League Dot Org and follow us on Facebook, twitter, instagram and Youtube. Also, be sure to subscribe and get notified when next week's PODCAST is released.

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