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Episode 31 · 2 years ago

Team of the Week (Lumberjacks) | Episode 31

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Jim Mosso is heading into his 3rd full season as the Head Coach and General Manager of the EHL team for the Vermont Lumberjacks, however, this will be his 6th year overall with the organization. After being named the EHLP Coach of the Year following the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons, Mosso took over the EHL reins halfway through the 2017-18 campaign. With every season the Lumberjacks have raised the bar from the previous year, and Mosso gives a lot of credit to the players that have trusted the process, as well as the league that has developed a strong identity.

Welcome to the e show with Neil Raven. With over onezero NCAA commitments, the ehl is the proven path to college. Turn it up and learn more about the college placement leader at the division two and three levels. Welcome to the east show, presented by the penalty box foundation. The foundation's mission centers around their daily motto we take care of our own as they help out all of those within the hockey community who've experienced a catastrophic event. Will Learn more at penalty box foundation dot Org. Once again, my name is Neil Raven. This episode number thirty one and coming on the podcast for the second time. Let's welcome in the head coach and GM of the Vermont lumberjacks, Jim Muscle. Welcome to the you show, Jim. Hey, Neil, I's it going? Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on other team of the week feature and bring in a program that has made a steady climb each and every year. This past season easily. I'm sure you felt the same way. It was the best Ehl team that you've ever had in the EHLP team also, before the season got canceled, at just knocked off the defending champions. I know you didn't get a chance to finish the season, but do you still look back on this past year as a huge accomplishment? Yeah, absolutely, you know, I think we achieved a lot of different things for the first time in our organization. And you know, we spent several weeks number one in the power rankings, which was pretty cool for us. And then, you know, we had fourteen confirmed NCA commitments and I believe we're going to end up with three more here. So most likely we love seventeen kids playing college hockey come next year, you know. So really that's pretty cool as a program to just kind of get some more wins than the year before and just kind of keep climbing up the ladder and then sending as many kids to school as possible, and that was a I was really cool thing to watch the majority of the team accomplish this year. and Seventeen commiss when you get to that number, obviously that's going to rank second in the league behind the Adalanche's nineteen, but for you that's more than the previous two years combined. Do you credit that to being an older team? Do you credit that to it being your third year? What do you pointed towards I would say there's a culmination of a lot of things. You know, a lot of the kids on this team had been here three years, you know, the Jordan, Boston's Logan, to Scan Eos, Connor Carbo, the dodges. Now, we had a lot of three year guys that, you know, we're with me when I took the program over and kind of earned my way up to the EHL and kind of built the team into what it is today. So there's a really strong group of veteran returners that that really understood what the lumberjacks went through to get here and I think a lot of those kids, you know, once they understood what we were looking for and they really helped me attract other kids like them to the program the last year or two. So really was a culmination of everyone working together and trying to get the right group of guys in there and we just had a standout year, you know. So it's kind of a bummer the way it ended because I think we were ready to go and every single way you or we wanted to make that push. But I also looking back, I think you know we're here to move kids to college hockey and that's a huge number of guys that are going to get an opportunity to keep playing. So so that's pretty, pretty exciting and that's going to be the thing that we probably remember the most from the two thousand and nineteen twenty season or the commitments for every team. I think when we look back we won't remember who be who or who got to actually play in the playoffs and who didn't. But for your program you did get the play in the playoffs. You were in a tight battle...

...at the avalanche down to the wire, basically, for that to seed in a first round by now. This is going to be kind of a weird question, but you didn't get that first round by which allowed you to play a playoff series against the sea coast spartans. Obviously you won that series. You would have then faced the avalanche in the next round. Is there a part of you that's happy that you got to play those playoff games? Yeah, I mean, if you think about it like that, if we didn't, if we got the body would never would have been able to play another game together, you know. So it was no this was I think I say it every year, but whatever you're just seems to get better and better. This was my favorite group to coach and this in my favorite year of hockey. You know, in a lot of that is really a great two year period. A lot of the kids were on the team for both years. But this is just an excellent group and, you know, to be able to get two more games and really kind of put things all together what was pretty cool. You know, we got to you know, we got to practice and put a lot of things in place in in those playoff games that we really wanted to and still and kind of our playoff approach. You know, the year before we got knocked out in this second round. So there were things that we were trying to work on behind the scenes and just be ready for, including just being deeper, you know, and if you look back, you know, you look at our power play guys, they didn't play one shift on the penalty kill. You know, even with the game on the line, the last two or three minutes left to play in a tight playoff series, we were comfortable with our our third and fourth line chewing up those minutes and getting that job done. You know. So I think as a group we had just come so far as from top to bottom, to really play and those big moments that we worked on all year and I think it kind of showed in that first round and you know, I was excited that take that the momentum and keep going further. But obviously it's disappointment a little bit and it hurts little bit to talk about it here and there, but I was really proud of the way we played and how we you know, how we did what we did in that first round and I thought we were totally ready to keep going. So I know it's depressing. Well, let's just ask one final question about that, the way it all played out, and then move on because you just sort of the bring it up. We every year has been a progression forward, whether it's the winds or the commitments. But you go back to the year when we did get the play of things out and you beat the rough riders in the first round and you lost the wizards in the second round, and I'm sure it's still stings for you being I think you were a period away from from Providence. You were up going into the third period of game three. So then fast forward to this past year and we know it's your best team that you've ever had and you don't get a chance to even have that closure of whether you would have beaten or lost to the avalanche, and who knows what would have happened if you had made it the providence. But with all that being said, now you turn the page for this upcoming year, another year where you're the full, you know, the full Eh Shel head coach and GM of course, overseeing the premier team as well. How early into this upcoming season are you going to tell the story of the two thousand and nineteen twenty and the two thousand and eighteen nineteen lumberjackson emphasize to this year's group the idea of finishing it off for those guys? I think that's something that will be established early, you know, and the way that I kind of go about doing that is not necessarily. No, I can't expect this year's group to be identical to last year's group. You know, we're going to have a young group. We're going to have a really skilled team, a lot of speed, aggressive, you know, but they're they're young, you know, so...

...they're not. You know, I can't expect them to come in and and be Logan to scany O, Jordan, Bufflin and marine right away off the hop you know, what I mean. So it's going to be totally different. But I think the last two years, you know, with emofs group and then the scanyos group, they kind of laid the template for success. You know, and I think we take the obstacles that we had to come across and maybe our down falls from one year to the next and try to prepare to get over that hurdle then with the next group that comes up to it, you know. So I think, you know, will establish early the things that we felt helped us succeed and tried to put those things in place, and will establish early maybe some of the things where we could have been better and fret eliminate those as a teaching tool and use that to just set the tempo of what it's like and what it takes to succeed in this league. You know, it's you know, all the other teams are getting better than northern conferences ridiculously hard. You know. So the goal isn't going to be wins and losses. The goal is going to be how to get our team to play in the manner that the last two groups were able to get to at the end of the season. You know, and I think that just they kind of created a roadmap and we've got to start a day and we've got to go all through, all the way through the letters, to get to z you know, and I brought that question up because I've almost asked it to every team that was still alive in the postseason, because you go up and down the list, whether it was yourself, for the avalanche, the Rangers, little fires, eighty sevens, every team felt like they had a shot, you know, yeah, at least to make it there, and then who knows when they got there. But it wasn't just as I mentioned earlier, for you at the ehl level, your EHLP team was starting to peak as well. They had just knocked off the defending champion wolves and was getting set for their second round. And of all the names that you've mentioned so far on this episode of the Podcast, that the scanyos, the emovs, the Buffalo Line, they've all spent time in your program developing for a year at the EH LP and then climbing up the ladder. Now, for the eleven teams that have both EHLP and EHL, there's a group of you guys that do it very well. What has been the key to your success in Vermont and having kids come in for a year develop and then moving up within your program. Well, I think you know, something that we do very seriously is coach Jeff Lowry, who is my right hand man and know, become my best friend. We are a team, a two man team in every way, you know, and that's you know, in terms of recruiting, me and him, whether we're recruiting a player for to come into be the top of the EHL team or we're recruiting kids to come in to the premier team that we see have the potential to come through the program and make the EHL team. We do all of that stuff together and I am very hands on recruiting with premier players, just like Jack is very hands on recruiting with ehl players, and I think we identify ehl players that just maybe have one or two years that they need to develop to get there, you know. So so, you know, we kind of just look at it like that. And once we start, we start with a training camp where the fifteen players get here and, you know, during training camp they have to earn their way into the locker rooms and then, you know, we split the the premier players that are excelling also due to a day's they practice with the EHL team and, you know, when they're practice in with the AHL team they have an opportunity to earn a spot in the lineup that weekend. You know, in a perfect example was frank money this...

...year. So I would premiere and you know, he got called up for a couple of games and did really well and he stayed and never went back down to premiere. You know, and I think there was probably six or seven different kids on the premiere group that got a chance to they earned a chance to get called up and play in ehl this year some some played one or two, some played ten, you know. So I think we really focus on when we bring guys in, we bring guys in that we actually believe in. We don't bring guys in for the mindset of one year and go somewhere else, you know. And I think over the course the season they really feel that and they're getting hands on quality coaching from both of our staff members and it really just gives them the tools they need to keep going. Yeah, the other other thing I would say is if you you know, if you didn't know our players and you just showed up to the rank. At every any given day, whether it be the middle of the week or a game. The two teams they live to other. They're intermingled, you know, they play, the kids do double days together. They were the same attire, they have the same rules, the same systems as the EHL team, you know. So if you were to walk into our rink and not know who anyone who anybody was, you wouldn't be able to figure out who was in the AHL player or a premier player just by walking in there. And you know. So it's just it's really as much as we can possibly do at one cohesive unit and and the younger guys learned from the older guys and the older guys they're responsible for helping the younger guys get to where they are. You know. So I think we really take that to heart very much here, and I'm glad you said that because it's something that I've noticed as well. Look no further than your Jersey numbers, right. It's something that a few more teams have started to adopt because you've done it. You guys don't repeat numbers, meaning that you have a number seven on the EHL team and number seven on the EH LP team. If an EHLP player or younger in your organization wants to earn you know, I know it's just a number, but they want to earn their favorite number, they got to go out and they got to earn it. So, you know, when it comes to program I don't they see that's actually cool story. How that how that develops, you know, because it wasn't. It was somewhat intentional for that, but in the way that we did. It was a few years ago. We actually we had, you know, an EHL team, a premier team. We had a split season, you sixteen team and a split season, you fifteen team, right. So we ordered jerseys one through ninety eight and at the time one through twenty five was a lotted to ehl players. You know, twenty six through fifty was allotted to premiere players. Fifty one through seventy five sixteen, and seventy five through ninety eight was you sixteen. Right. So once a player came into the PROGRAMM and they were given a number, as they moved up in the team, they kept their number, right. So four years later you're actually seeing players like Egan Schmidt was on that you sixteen team at the time. Wearing eighty too. You know, he moved up, he played in the premiere. He kept eighty two playing premiere. He moved up again playing with EHL. He's wearing eighty two right. So so back then, you know, it was all low numbers were Ehl and all high numbers where we're young players. But we've had so much development, and I'll remove it through the program, that now there's a lot of high numbers on the AHL team, you know. So it's just it's kind of really cool, if you look at it that way, to look at just the numbers alone on the ice and figure out how many years or how far these kids have moved up within our program. And these kids aren't moving up just within your program, out of they're going off to college as well. And you're proud of every single one of these kids that commits, whether it's a kid that comes in just as ehl and goes...

...or or climbs the ladder like some of these kids have. But when you see an e moth or a buff line climb up and then they go all the way to, you know, Manhattanville for emoth, or you and E for Buffal Line, high end, high end division three schools. Does that make you feel, you know, a little extra sense of Froud? Well, absolutely, you know, and I think you know. I think that really goes to show that the Vermont lumberjacks offer the right tools to both develop and then get exposure and be taught the right things to succeed in college hockey, you know. And and Jordan Boffman, for instance, you know, he came to the Vermont lumberjacks right out of high school and if you have a conversation he'll laugh about it because he was finishing his high school hockey season in New York and we were the only team talking to him. You know. So he was like, he's like, okay, well, the lumberjacks sound cool. I guess I'll go there. And next thing you know he's he's second in the league and points in the ehl with his with his line mate Logan and and he's off to a Nashalk Top ten program playing college hockey is probably going to compete for a national championship at the college level. You know. So when you when you look at stuff like that and, like I said, you know, this the culmination of this year's group. There was a lot of three year players who had bought into the lumberjacks as an organization, who bought into me as a coach from day one, and they played their entire junior career with us and they're having, you know, major successful results going to college hockey, you know. So I take a lot of pride in our organization like that's that's what we care about more than anything and I'm not going to put you in the spot to have you pick one they're more proud of than the next, because I'm going to pick it for you right now, because there is a story this past year that I made some social media post about, but we didn't talk enough about it. You had a player in Connor Carbo, come into your program, spend two years with you when you were the premier coach, and then spend up, I guess you call it a year and a half at the EH shell because he went to Wentworth halfway through this past year. He starts off at Wentworth, okay, five hundred, and then, you know, in typical goalie fashion, right, he just gets hotter than hell in the playoffs and then numbers that he put up in the playoffs were just astounding. First he not knocks off curry with a fifty one safe performance. Fifty one like out of this world. Then Beats Une with twenty six more saves and gave Endicott everything they could handle in the CCC championship with forty seven saves after that. Like I said, I made a few social media post but for a player like that to begin in your program with your premier team, spend not one but two years there, then come up with you to the EHL team and then, you know, halfway through the year, has to make that tough decision where a school wants them to go right then and there and he chooses it and then he goes out and it has this crazy success in March. How did that make you feel? Well, that's a really cool story. And you know something that I I think a lot of people don't don't know, is one of those underdog stories that ends up working out. You know, we have a few players you know in terms of being proud of, different commits and different stories. I'll just give you a quick, you know, synopsis of a couple of those. But Connor Carbo, you know, at in the beginning of the season this year, not one college coach wanted to talk to him, you know. So went worth called me and said, Hey, you know, our starter least, this is what's happening. We're looking for goalie that can come in compete and I've connor actually played five years with a Vermont lumberjack organization, you know, so I've been able to I was really able to give a full description of who what I saw in terms of...

...who connor Carbo was and what he is capable of doing. And they took them based on, you know, just that relationship I have with Jay and just, you know, the word of kind of what we talked about. And he got an opportunity and he was totally lights out. You know, I think even if you look at if you look at Logan to scanny Oh, he had come into the League a few years ago and a couple coaches had cut him, you know, and didn't think he belonged to the Ehl at all and and you know, he had to fight to get an Allstar spot this year, you know, and then ends up just kind of proving to everybody what he's capable of, you know. And I think em off with a simple, you know, a similar store story. And I think when Robotie has got a similar story. You know, we kind of have just had some kids come to our program that had a lot of talent but weren't necessarily given the opportunities they felt they deserved and they had a chip on their shoulder and they just dug down and and and just turn it into something awesome, you know, and I think those stories are pretty cool and I think our program in terms of how we recruit and what kids hear about what we're doing here or what the League can be about, I think those are stories that, you know, a lot of different people can relate to and you know, the proof is right there on paper of what can happen with a little bit of hard work and a coach in a program that believes in you. To scanny, I'd not even points this last year and and VP season. It's just and he you know, he's a kid that has been looked down upon his whole entire career, you know what I mean. So I think when you go through years of coaches not feeling like, you know, you're there fit then you get to just trying to do something like that, it speaks for itself, you know, and I think there's a lot of coaches that that now would love to have him, you know what I mean. So I think that that's really cool to you know, that's something that puts a big smile on my face. And he used the word underdog. I've kind of thought of that before. When it comes to your program, do you think that's at all because of your location, in the fact that you're a bus trip to everyone? Does it make it harder for your recruiting? Well, I think we certainly have obstacles and recruiting, you know what I mean, and that the Vermont Youth Hockey isn't as strong as the youth hockey in Massachusetts and New Hampshire right now, you know, and we're trying to help build that, to get that back where it should be. But you know, we don't necessarily have a lot of locals to pick from, so we have to travel and find the majority of our players outside of Vermont and convince them that coming to Vermont is is the best bet, you know, and you know what, I think we've had most of our success recruiting based on word of mouth of the players that have come here and had success and enjoyed their experience and then you know they have a they have a buddy back home that went somewhere and didn't love it but, you know, is interested in looking for a new home and they're the right personality and character fit for us. We do a lot of our recruiting based off player suggestions and we look there first and I think between me and Jack we've kind of figured out what our niche is and you know what is attractive about us and you know, we're we figured out how to get the kids that we really want. You know, we don't have to cast as big of a met anymore as we did when I first got here, and when I first got here I basically felt like I was begging kids to play here, you know, and now now, for the first time, you know, we have...

...kids call us and and that really want to be a part of the lumberjacks, you know, and I think that speaks to what we've accomplished as a team, but also what our league is accomplishing and getting better every year and, you know, surpassing other leagues that used to be our competition. It's just kind of made all those things work for us and that's all. It's all great to hear and, speaking of Lord of Mouth, it's going to sound like I'm going to start getting political here at this next question, but I'm not. First off, and I've had a number of people ask me what the the League would say or do if we have a national anthem this year and a player takes a nate. I don't know what I would do. was what I would say, I said to each person that's ask that question. But I found myself one time saying I know one team in particular that probably won't take a knee, but for what it's worth, they're going to hold perfectly still up until the last beat is complete in the national anthem. Now, if no one has seen that before, as you just say, Watch your team do that. You guys stand perfectly still, don't move the feet, don't sway back and forth, you stand perfectly still up until the national anthem is a hundred percent finished. was that something that you brought to the program is something that has been there for a while? Do you take us through that? That's something that actually coach doc also was a big proponent of. Both of US had both had that philosophy. No, I think for us, you know, there were national anthem for us kind of service two purposes, you know. One the first thing. We teachers respect, you know, and to us the national anthem represents, you know, the people that are fought for our country and sacrifice their lives and, you know, to give us this opportunity to play hockey, as you know, for me, a job and for the kids, as you know, a way to get into college and become who they're going to be. You know. And then the second part of it is, you know, we the first drill, we get on the ice in the first practice and we teach the national anthem before we do anything with a Pokin. I think that's to set the set the table, that smaller details matter, and I personally believe that if you can, you know, you have to learn how to handle small tasks to be able to complete big tasks, you know, and I think we use the anthem as the great starting point to accomplish that. You know, what I would say, what I'm going to say with my group, is to us, the national anthem represent this. I would like us, as a team, to to do that and if there are some players that really want to make a statement or have an issue with something, to come to me and as a team, I would like to respect what they want to accomplish and find a way as a group to help make a difference in something, you know, and it can be many different ways, but I'm all for respecting people's opinions and and what they you know, things that they see and injustice somewhere and want to make a change. There's there's tons of ways to make a change and I think I'm totally on board with that and I know the group of people that were bringing in, the group of kids that were bringing in, would love to do something to make a difference in their community as well, you know. So I'm all for that. It won't happen during the national anthem with the lumberjacks, but you know, we're all for finding different ways to make the world around us a little bit better. And for your team coming up this fall, as you mentioned a few times in this podcast, you moving so many kids on to college, but can you tell us about maybe a few returners that you are bringing back who you're going to lean on pretty heavily to lead your team? Yeah,...

I think the first is the obvious, is David Reducey. You know, I felt like he last year he was, you know, and quote unquote, a rookie in terms of junior hockey. I think he went on a stretch there and the first half to middle of the season where I do feel he was the best goalie in the League during that stretch. You know, unfortunately, I think he kind of had a battle little bit. Of Carbo was an age out and Dylan whalen was an age out, so they, you know, needed to play enough to get to school and obviously a Carbo had a great story and stuff. So David kind of had to kind of just sit back and take the games that were coming to him and I think he wasn't able to necessarily showcase everything he's made of, you know, and I think he did pretty well considering most of his games where, you know, against the avalanche, eighty seven's, the rangers and Seahawks. You know, most of his games were against the top rating teams in the League. So to have the stats he had was pretty incredible. You know, we have some guys coming back and Dylan Instantino and frank Monday and you know, frank has been here a little bit and Matt Brown has been here a couple of years now. So we have I think five Nico Hemming ehl veterans coming back that were directly a part of that group and understand how we have to operate on a daytoday basis to achieve our success. But we have a bunch of kids moving up. You know, Colbe Antime, so phenomenal hockey player. You know, Nick Speckhart has been been with us a while. No, Aaron Gammon's been with us a while. You Got Tyler penry WHO's moving up. So we have kids that we are confident that not only are they going to be able to move up, but they're going to be able to take significant roles right away. And I think so we have enough returners in house to maintain the culture and the environment that we need to breed success. You know, I think that's kind of the best what we've been known for is the lumberjacks has. We don't always necessarily start strong, but we start with a locker room that's made up of the same group of kids that we're going to finish with. So one way or the other of those kids in there, they're going to fight it out and they're going to figure it out, you know. So if we have the right culture, their right work ethic and practice in the right ideas and systems and stuff like that, they will get there. It could be a little bit of a bumpier road than maybe the last two the veteran mining teams have been, but you know this team, this team has all the tools, talent and skill to be as good as last year's group was, you know. So I'm really excited about that. That kind of, you know, fresh starting the new transition and I was curious what name you would say. First I thought it was all going to be reducy and you mentioned the hot stress that he had their early on and one thing that was kind of interesting for him is in selecting the All star teams. You can make the case that are three best allstars were just scanio, Marini and Doni, and reduce probably could have been there as well. But for those three that were there, as I mentioned, they played as well as anybody on our all star team and then when they got back to your program their games hit different levels. Do you think that was a credit for them seeing what the college hockey level was like and then coming back to the EHL, which is obviously not the same caliber, or what do you put you put credit towards for that? Yeah, I would say that was the huge learning experience for those guys. You know, I have to give it. I have to give it here because, you know, Jordan Bufflin, I see another thing that people on there like it was a mistake that he wasn't there. Kind of bummed for him, but you know,...

...so I'm going to have to, you know, have his back in this one and give him a shout out. He should have been there as well and I think, you know, it would have been even more exciting. But no, I think the Allstar the Allstar series and going visiting those schools and the competition and Logan to Skinyo got to score a score a college goal. He's not even in college yet, you know. So so he certainly has the confidence to go to college and and already feels that he's got a little bit of a monkey off his back, you know. But I think, you know, that was just such an incredible experience at the League decided to do for our players and they came back and they came back and showed the locker room what the expectations were in terms of preparing and succeeding at that level. You know. So we we really amped up just our mindset as a team when those kids got back, and I'm glad you mentioned buffalo and too, because you could have had five allstars like he's. Last year's lumberjacks team was that good. And you mentioned to scany again. I think he sent me a thank you text for the All Star Week when he was still in the car ride home like in that mental loss is because just because of the work that goes into that week and then to go out and nearly beat Fitchburg state and then beat sale and stay, it was really a special time for our league and I hope we can have that again this year because obviously it's a weird time right now. If the college is do get the chance to play us, I know how beneficial it is for not only our players but for our coaches, and you're lined up to be one of the coaches, so my fingers are crossed for you to get to experience it for the first time as well. Yeah, that would be really cool. I would be very, really excited to stept in that building at Fitchburg state and being on the opposite bench of what I took, what I played at when I was there. You know. So, yeah, I know, I think when those players came back, they felt that that was probably the best experience they had in their life total, you know what I mean. So for them to make a comment like that was awesome. And you know, and just getting to know some of the other coaches that we compete against all the time and know some of these based on the way hockey kind of takes over your life. Some of the coaches that you know we compete against, those are my best friends, you know. So you see get to see Chris Sorella and builds in a pony and you know Adam hoolie and you know I kind of I share a little bit about some of the stories we have together as coaches and stuff, and those kids get to go be on their bench for for a week. It's a really cool thing for them to get to experience a little bit about, you know what kind of where I come from to, you know, I played for Christ Ella and some of my players get to see what it's like to be on his bench for a week. So it's just a really cool story all the way around and I'm just hopeful for you. It's not even just you, I mean it was the ALLSTAR staff. Is supposed to be Sorella and rich DiCaprio and then, for the first time, you and Adam whoie, and I really hope for you and Adams case, will get the chance to do it this year. And if it's not this year, maybe it's next year. But it's all a great transition into the final question that I did give you a heads up on because of so much for reasons success, I didn't want you to get on this podcast and totally not know where to go. But we touched on the frozen files. We talked about providence a lot. So let's let's set up the hypothetical situation that the Vermont lumberjacks for in Providence against all these other teams that are in this same scenario and you're heading into overtime and you can pick between all the players that you've coached during your time with the lumberjacks. You're going back to when you were the backtoback EHLP coach the year and to this past two years you've been the ehl coach. So let's get that all time Vermont lineup with three forwards to D and a goalie that you send out there.

All right, well, I got it. I got two different philosophies here. You know, that might, you know, might change the answer a little bit. But you know, I think the first two are just plainly obvious. In Jordan, BUFFLN and Logan to scany Oh basically set records for both our program and though, in the League of you know, the points they had acquired and stuff, and you know, those guys could get the job done when the game was on the line every single time. You know. So I couldn't go without those two. Know the interesting thing I would say is, are these players, am I talking about where they are now in college, or am I talking about them in the peak of their junior career? Because I would say Mason e moth was unbelievable. I think Glenn Robotie was unbelievable. I think Mason was a hair better at the end of his junior career and I think Glenn is a hair better than mason and his freshman year at Manhattanville. You know. So I guess I don't know what what the you know, protocol is there. So I would say with a Glenn Robtie special mention, deny the rule really and then the fence, you know, is just likes out. You know, and then a kid that I don't know if a lot of people will remember, but one of the kids we had in our very beginning of a program which I got to coach, was Marcus Comos, and he he ended up going to the NA after the two years since sent with us, and then he's Playing Division One college hockey at, you know, Anchorage Alaska. So you know he was a stud. He was a righty and don't he's a lefty and it's just perfect stick combinations there too. In terms of goalie, I would say I'm somewhat split between Carbo and or a doozy. What I would say is when Carbo came back from college he was ready to go and playoffs for us this year and he was I've never seen a kid more zoned in he went the week leading up to that series against the avalanche. Out of the four practices we had, two of them not one puck went in his net. From start to finish the entire practice. He was he was totally ready to go and he was just seeing pucks before they came. You know, he'd been playing seeing college shots for a while. And then reduce the I think was light. So in a different part of the season. So I would say I would say carbo based on what he'd accomplished so far and juniors. But if you're to ask me this question in twelve months from now, I would have a strong idea that rid douzy might be might be the sir, given his senior year of junior hockey. Well, I like the way you put the lab together and yeah, it's a lineup that could compete with anyone that I've heard throughout these team of the week features that we've done all summer. So it's a credit to what you've done with that program. As I mentioned, it's a program that's developing kids all the way through from the EH LP to the EHL, and they's did the same for yourself. You were the two time backtoback eh LP coach of the the first two years of the EH LP. So a lot to be proud of, Jim, and a lot to look forward to as well. I know it was kind of a depressing way that this past season ended, but if I had to bet, I would vet better the Vermont lumberjacks continue to climb up here this upcoming year. So thank you for coming back on the PODCAST and I hope that you can enjoy the rest of the offseason. All right, sounds good. I appreciate that a lot now. Thanks for having me. Thanks for listening to the...

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