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EHL 10th Anniversary Team of the Week (Apple Core) | Episode 131

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On this week's episode of the #EShow, we feature arguably the most historic franchise in the EHL, the New York Apple Core. Lenny Caglianone joins the podcast (1:11) to talk about his mindset in preparing to take over at the helm this fall. A former player in the EHL, Caglianone is anxious to drop the puck on his first game as a Head Coach in the league. Further along, the #ECrew reconnects (14:45) with this week's Top 10 selection, highlighted by a pair of goalies who went on to win major awards in their respective collegiate hockey conferences.

Welcome to the show with Neil Raven. Founded in two thousand thirteen, the E H L has become the college placement leader on the East Coast. Sit Back and learn more about the next step in your junior hockey career. Welcome to the show presented by the play box foundation. The foundation's mission centers around their daily motto we take care of our own as they help all all of those within the hockey community who have experienced a catastrophic event. Learn more at player box foundation dot Org. What's up? My name is Neil Raven and this is episode number one thirty one of the show. On this week's episode we feature arguably the most historic franchise in the E H l, the New York apple core. Lenny Caglioni joins the podcast talk about his mindset and preparing to take over at the helm this fall. A former player in the E H L, Caglioni is anxious to drop the puck on his first game as a head coach in the league. Further along, the e Creu reconnects with this week's top ten selection, highlighted by a pair of goalies who wanted to win major awards in their respective collegiate hockey conferences. I'm joined now by Lenny Caglioni, the head coach in GM of the New York Capital Corps. How's it going? Lenny's going great. How are you good? Welcome to the show podcast for the first time as we keep moving through each team of the week feature of the off season, and officially welcome to the e H L as well. I know we haven't had a chance to really have you on here since you were named the head coach. Um, can you kind of take us back through the end of this past season when you were coaching the n a three and when the conversation began with Steve Santini? You know, what were your thoughts about the chances of taking this opportunity? Yeah, I mean I think, listen, the landscape has changed in the junior hockey world and and just you don't listen, no disregard to the to the n a three, what a great league that is and they've done in an exceptional job with the inclusion of all the teams through that landscape. And and you know, given the geographics of it, not just being based in one region, Um, but I think being a guy who had played in the e h l and just seeing, uh, you know, the opportunity to go back and and kind of mentor guys and and coach guys that were in the position that I was. I thought it was a no brainer and just given the ability of the League to concentrate on a certain demographic and provide a service that allows these guys to, you know, to be exposed to, Um, the collegiate landscape in in in the northeast, is just it's a no brainer to go back and and and put that on my resume, on my coaching career and and certainly I think it's a step up as well. Um. So for me, talking to Steve, knowing him prior to, you know, talking about that, the apple core opportunity, just what he's built with apple core and their alumnil list and they're rich history. For Myself, it was just something that, you know, immediate, no brainer to jump in head first and and and do what I can to help the program and you mentioned the rich history there. You mentioned it in your quote also when you joined the team, uh, to become the head coach of the New York apple core. Who you could make the case, Um, no program has the history that the apple core has in our league. Do you feel pressure? I I think in a sense I do. I think it's more self inflicted. I feel as if, stepping into this position, there there is something most certainly to prove, just given maybe some of the past seasons that we've had that, you know, you could compare and contrast in regards to what we were at one point. Um and listen, it's a revolving door. I think you see it at all levels in regards to you know, there's peaks and valleys. Teams cannot be consistent for forever. That's just not the way the world works, especially the hockey world. Um and I certainly think that there's a platform and a foundation to to build something that's reminiscent of what you've seen in years past. So I think more so I look at the past and what was accomplished back then with with a certain demographical players and and that's what I use as my thermostat and and say, Hey, listen, you need to get back to this and and push to get back to that. So I think it's more so something that I that I've put for myself to achieve, for sure, for sure. And what's what's unique about this upcoming season, obviously it being your first year, Um, as a head coach in the e H ll. We'll get to your time as an assistant as well, um, but we're going into year number ten and, as I talked about with our e crew throughout the offseason, it doesn't feel like year ten, but all the years have just passed by and now there are former players that are becoming coaches this, this and that, and this upcoming season is actually the first time that we have two players that used to actually play in the e h l when it was called the E H l. We had yourself and we have Nick Kotah, who took over for the...

Walpole Express. Um. Are there bragging rights when you face the express or no, because you it will be the first time ever that will have two coaches facing off that both actually played in the League as well at the same exact time, fourteen season. Yeah, I believe he's in three. So I'm the same birth year. Uh. We were both captains our age out year. Um, so and and I came from the pedigree of when the H L was the Atlantic League and and Walpole was indeed a powerhouse. They had that three p year so for me, you say Walpole, I think those three terrorizing years when I was in the League and and you know, to see, to see what it's come now and and you know, I'd be remissed if I didn't say, you know, Kudos to you and and the operation staff and and as well as your personality, that you're able to kind of put us in in a platform and and a pedestal that. Listen, I think the League is great and and you know, but not to get sidetrack here, I certainly think there are. I think it's complication. Um, tried to usher that in kind of, you know, yeah, smoothly. But yeah, I certainly think there are. I think whenever you step into any game, um, but now with this one happened a couple of extra, you know, superatives, I think for sure. But you know, it's just, uh, I guess it's the player's nature still in us to have that competitive edge, no doubt. And I think the best part about it is you face each other September, so very early on in the year. I mean I'll be happening. The fact that it's just cool to see former players now facing off as former coaches under that e h l name because, as you mentioned, prior Toen we were in the Atlantic junior hockey league, but enough time has passed now that we're seeing this with the actual e h l name come forth. But let's not dive into your coaching staff now because, as you came over, you have a brand new staff joining you. You also have connor Tierney and Joe a Nerva, and it feels like every single guy, including yourself, has that junior experience, followed by the Collesian experience in the same past that our players are wanting to go to where they where they played juniors and then go end up at a division three school. How valuable you think that will be for your players, because you've done it? Yeah, I think in regards to two players, resumes and and you know, when you transition into coaching, it's funny because now you kind of you you become something that you've watched, like you have your parents and you see them adapt to technology and you're like wow, this is this is tough for them, but now I'm the one who's watching it. We didn't have elite prospects when we were younger, we didn't have instagram. So you're watching these guys have this, these optics and these visuals on you, know, on your career, as as as you continue to coach, guys are gonna be the first thing they're gonna do. They're gonna go check your resume, they're gonna go check what you've done, they're gonna get optics on you. So I think have being a chartered course that you know you've yourself have traversed, you're gonna look back and be able to to relate that to the guys and tell them, Hey, listen, I was just I was the same guy wearing the same pair of skates in the same locker room, like I've certainly been there and and it's super important to find that middle ground with those guys, because if you're not relatable as a coach and you don't speak to the majority while keeping the minority at at the forefront Um, I certainly do think that you're gonna miss out on bringing guys to their ceiling and allowing them to achieve their, you know, their ability, and and having that, that that playing resume, I think makes it all so much easier to translate and find that middle ground, as I said, to be able to be like, Hey, listen, you might not want to listen to me, but I've been there, done that and and I have the piece of paper to show it. So, Um, very important, I think, for for myself and the staff. Yeah, no doubt about it. And now let's get into the players that you've announced so far, because very surely after the team announced that you have been hired, you announced a few players that are returning. Of course, in a perfect world, I'm sure the one name he'd love to have coming back would be calling Callinan, which we'll talk about later in this podcast, but he aged out. But on the flip side, to be able to bring back at Jillia Chase, a Christian Day, a j mule. How important were guys like that to get kind of checked off early for you in your first few days on the job? Yeah, I mean I think it's certainly something that it was a priority to tackle Um and to have a great foundation for guys who have experienced that. You know that that taste from last season, right, I think it goes without saying. We could, we could touch on that as much as we want, but it is what it is. Right, it's it's done, it's in the past. Um and and realistically, coming off of a season like that, you got to go in with an attitude that you want to light a fire for guys. Um, you want them to come in with a chip on their soul shoulder and to have, you know, a core group of guys, whether it's four to five, five to ten,...

Um. I think if you have some of that, that that taste from the from the prior season, Um, and that'd be your foundation for your core that's gonna spread through the team and be like hey, listen, this is this is this is the mission this year, this is what we need to get done, this is what it was like last year. We know what it is to lose. Losing, losing humbles you, uh, you know so much. So, and and winning cures all ailments, uh, in that sense. So to have those guys in there and and for them to kind of set that that that standard of Thermostat for incoming guys and and to have a foundation for a culture, I think it was a no brainer to bring back guys who wanted to right the wrongs from the prior season. And for yourself personally, you brought your own core over with you as well, from the tight ends N A, a three team I mean quickly. Right there, you have felt like you had ten guys already, but how important was it for you to know that there were five or six guys that wanted to follow you across when you jumped over to the E H L? Yeah, I mean certainly so. UH, once again, touching on what you guys have done with the League and and and how you guys have, you know, projected this league to every year. Have Uh, an odd number. You know, I'm not entirely sure. I think we were in the hundreds. Correct, a little over that, sure, sorry, I don't have stats right. Certainly so, I think you know, you guys, for the most part, do do your job for do my job for me. Um, in that sense, so you're attracting a demographic and a populace that that most certainly doesn't think twice in regards to if they know what they are as a player and and and they're they're pretty much set in regards to what they want to do. They're gonna say, Hey, the H L is the place to go, this is where we need to to to put our roots and to set our feet, because at the end of the day, I know if I perform all well, enough there will be collegiate interest. So it's once that was mentioned guys who were serious about their their careers and and wanted to continue playing post juniors. It was a no brainer for them as well. Yeah, and it's awesome for me to things get so quiet in the offseason, but to see, you know, daily, just another announcement, other player who wasn't in the League before wanted to come to the league now. It just shows you that we're doing the right thing right and as you look forward here a little bit over a month away from from opening day of the season for you guys, your first game against the defending champions. Would you draw it up any other way? No, I think it's perfect. Um, let's listen. I'm not a cliche guy. I'm a very much so realistic, honest person, but things happen for a reason. There's there's the nature of faith. You can't necessarily try to pull the strings and and have things go your way seven sometimes you just gotta put your boots on and go to work. And what a way to start this season with, you know, with Joey and his gang and and everything that they've accomplished. Congratulations to them as well. Um, watching them kind of grow. But yeah, I I mean I think it's great. It sets the identity of of who we need to be and what we need to be as a majority and as individuals right off the bat, the first minute of the season, and I'm excited. I'm ready to go. So certainly so. It's it's, it's I wouldn't have it any other way. It's perfect. Well, I appreciate you coming on the PODCAST, as we touched on a couple of times here. For me it's amazing to all see this all come full circle and now have former players as head coaches in this league. So, like I said, we only have just over a month of the off season still left, plenty of time for recruiting as well. So I hope you get you get a chance to enjoy this final month and good luck with that opening day. Yeah, listen, thank you so much. Just if I could touch base, everybody's been so great coming into the League as well, being if first year a guy here, um, great personalities, great uh, infrastructure as well, and and and just so excited to come back to to to watch the league grow and and become what it has um and and being a player now getting to the other side of the bench. It's just it's full circle and it's it's great to see and and you know, I tip my cap to you guys as well, like I had said, Um that are behind the closed doors. I know that you get to be the big man and run the podcast, but listen, it's it's it's great to even see that and you know, like I said, tip my cap to you as while. You guys are doing a great job and it's it's just been. It's been nothing short of amazing to be a part of. Oh, I appreciate that. Like I said, good luck with your opening game and then I'll see you right after that of the September showcase. Thank you. Thanks again to Lenny Caglione for coming the podcast for the first time and another official welcome to the E H L, as I mentioned an interview with him. It really is pretty surreal. For the first time and now have two coaches in our lead that we can say actually played in...

...the E H L under the E H L name, not the previous name, the Atlanta Junior hockey league. So in September with Nick Koda and the Express based Lenny Caglioni and the apple core. For me, I will be very excited and there's some very, pretty big bragging rights there. So with that, though, let's bring in the e crew now, jeff and Anthony. We are now going to highlight a team who I know in recent years has had a few struggles. But you could honestly make the case though, as a whole, past the H L and everything, no program has as much history as the New York Apple Corps. Easy. Just open up their lead prospects and you go oh the way back to I think it's because they were but I mean crazy, right. Sorella played for them. It throws an old fun just kidding, Chris, you're sweathead, you're sweaty, working out good, but we're not talking about the APP. It is gonna be tough? I don't think so. Yeah, no, no, he's not. Like Chris is too old to ever be considered an E H L player. Um, we had Terry Watt in the UH Conversation Express, but he was another guy. But but, like, look at how many names are here right like it's it's impossible to stift through. Really, who was E H L and who was prior to E H L? Right, like there are so many names on this e p page, which is the history of this program m. So we'll start with the easy one, C C Colin Callanan. I hadn't actually written on the list before we even hit record. Um, just the way that he here's the way I would put it right, like we're all big sports fans of more than just hockey, right. I think we can recognize. Yes, when it comes to like sports, there are only like so many positions that you immediately jump out and say, like the quarterback, the picture, uh, you know, hockey goalie, like I can like go go out there and win a game, steal a game, right, like not often can you say that a play like a skater can do that. Colin Callendan is the exception, because they were like occasions, especially this past year. He would literally like have a role in every goal of the team score, whether it was like two goals five assists or five goals to assists, and he would literally put the team on his back and win the game. For the Apple Corps, it was the battle of the Collins, right, Colin Bell Versus Colin Count Everywhere, and both of those guys, like you just said, you know, you look at their box scores and you think you're looking at a video game. It would be, you know, two goals, three assists. I just know they work. Colin Countan in New York, Apple Corps, uh, you know. And then he helped a lot of guys that I think we're gonna get on this list today to around him, right, like Nick Webber's the guy that I really liked this year. He was a good goal scorer, someone that Calton was able to skate with. Kobe Walters is another one I'm sure we're gonna mention at some point. Um. So he helped guys around him, right. He had that kind of talking about multi sports. He had that kind of like Peyton manning effect that his operational on uh play kind of helped others develop and get better as well. Jeff, Jeff. I would also argue, though, that players like walters and Weber, they were good in their own right as well. Yes, apple core look, we're not gonna shy away from it. This past season they were a top heavy team, but that top was so heavy. I've said it in earlier podcast, where your defensive strategies to just keep that first line in check and you should be good. But that's a big if, because that line was so effective. Very few defenders in the E H L we're able to stop them. That's why Apple Apple core got as far as they did and that's why they nearly upset the railers in the first round of the playoffs this season. Shout out to apple core taking that series of three games. I predicted them as my upset. I did not look as stupid as I did. I mean put it this way, Anthony, if they had pulled off that game three upset, like we often joked on the podcast about how, like, if you have the perfect bracket or whatnot, you get the number of points to be the victor, like if you predicted that upset, like we're giving you the title, like you win the title because you nailed that upset. And really, like they were winning in that game three against the railers. And I think, I know I mentioned we already had lenny on, Lenny Caglioni and the new head coach and GM. We would be remissed and not at least, you know, give us stick tap or acknowledge what Joe Wegworth did with the team. I know JOE is. Joe was more skating with them to stay in shape til like, you know, see if the the E C H L team called, because he was, you know, playing at the time by the panthers. Yeah, it kind of just fell in his lap that he was going to coach the team down the stretch and like they were a different team, like they were a really different team. They became like a scary a team and they had the railers on the ropes in that...

...series. They played spoiler a bit, for sure. I had talked to a couple of the players on Apple Core after the coaching change, when Wakeworth came in, and the players, I could tell right away they were very excited about Wakeworth. Probably because he's a bit younger, he was able to connect with the players but also with his experience and the level of hockey that he brought to that organization. He had a very strong report with the players and there was a noticeable difference in how they played. They they liked playing under him and I think, yeah, like what you said, Neil Wykeworth did a really good job filling in as the head coach and sometimes sometimes you just need that right I mean even something you've seen it in the past in the NHL and some other places where things can be going good and they're just like no, we're gonna make a change. And, like you said, I mean that was that kind of really just shocked the room and and gave them that late surgeon. Something we talked about on the show. All three of US saw season long is uh, that maybe you see them next year, maybe you see them ride that wave into three season. And Lenny talked about it during the interview, like the core that he can bring back to the Christian Day a j mule unintended back. All right, I did not even mean that one Um. Like he he feels like they still have a little bit of that taste to write. So like for him to open the season against the eighties seven with Anthony on the call Um and then kind of just jump right in the first showcase, they're gonna like get a taste of where they want to be right from the very beginning and it's gonna stet them for the future of the season and and you never know. Right like you know, wooster wins that Central Division in the regular season, the playoffs kind of unfold the way that that they did and we all felt going into semifinal Saturday wooster was probably one of the teams where we felt strongest about and advancing to the championship Sunday. Like, we touched on this numerous times throughout this podcast. There are so many bounces that took place throughout the month of March that if you if you make that bounce go a different way, we're looking at a totally different series of events unfolding throughout the postseason. So yeah, Jeff, I mean after Anthony almost picked it correctly, all bets are off. Like you want to tell me the Apple Corps in Providence next year, like I'm not gonna even bet against you because they could be right. Um, but we started off the list with Callinan. We'd obviously like there's no way he's not in the top ten. He's right there, he's number one. That podcast is yeah, ratings. It's just just to touch on it one more time before we really dive in. It's funny to see the history, though, of the apple core, because Calinan, technically in franchise history, is the seventh leading score right, but when you look at the first thirteen guys, like we're in high school, like this guy is probably my age, your age, Jeff. I mean he's older than us. Jeff's look like kids. Thanks, John Kelly. For West we played on Harvard to. Okay, there you go. So Um. But if we're looking at just the E H L history, Um, they are one of the original six teams that's been in the League, obviously since the League has formed back in and when I think apple core, obviously I think recently with Calinan, but there's also a number of like scores over the years that always have stood out to me and some goalies as well. So I actually want to start with the goalies because there's a there's a chance that we have three and one is a Colin Callen, and this one the first one. You have to another one we have to put out there first, right. So I mean the first one I have is a goal named Blake Watch Tala. WHOA, Whoa, WHOA, not initials J B. Yeah, we're gonna GET TO J b. But Blake played in the E H l thirteen, fourteen and fourteen fifteen seasons and then, as we've touched on numerous times, as a number of number of players have gone on to salve regina and helped salve reach the national championship game. A few years ago we actually watched it. Jeff, remember when we were in providence the very first frozen finals. And then it's funny how things like kind of like in a way, kind of come full circle and he becomes a worcester railer, but in the e h l. I mean he especially. I mean look at the year that he brought salve a to the national championship game. In Twenty eight games he had a one, nine nine and the nine three seven like him good. I...

...mean the following year to flat nine, nine, one seven, like not as good, but that's still pretty damn good. Uh So, I mean I think I just remember, like when those two seasons we're taking place, it felt like every single week he was winning something in the C C c. As I pulled down here, C C C all second team all first team goalie of the year, first team goal of the year, back to back all of the year awards in the C C C and Eighteen nineteen. So for me I think Blake has to be on this list. Okay, that fair enough, because you weren't. You wrapped in the, like you said, the college, the collegiate and professional career that is still going on for for Blake's the only twenty eight years old. And Uh yeah, I remember Blake because that was my his fourteen fifteen years my first season in the E H l. That was right before you came in, Neil. Yeah, man nuts right, we're dating a time ago. But yeah, he was a wagoner Salva and then worcester railers and now he's a Faithville marksman. Yeah, it was the last thing that he was with, so the Greenville swamp rabbits. So he's still the coast of the S Ph l. So yeah, I want to get to J B in a second. There's one there's one more player who went on to win a college award who needs to be recognized in my opinion, and that's Tim Sestak. I scroll right down to NASCAC. First Team NASCACK, second team NASCACK. Player of the year, not just goally of the year, player of the year. We taught we touched on this with Connor rodericks Um from the express when he did at Kanaka College. Tim systack did it at Wesley. So what I remember most about stack was he spent two seasons with the apple core, Fourteen fifteen and fifteen sixteen, and I don't remember what the playoffs I'm not wasn't that time, but I think the applecart weren't making the playoffs and the head coach of the New York bobcast in fifteen sixteen was Craig Derimus and he told me a quarter of the way, halfway through the season, he will be wearing our Jersey by the end of the season and I was like predicting it. Okay, he goes, I'M gonna make a move for that kid. And if the New York bobcats with him, SESTAK, don't run into Caden Primo and the Philadelphia Revolution, the playoffs unfold differently. Right career. That's literally who they played against. Right he went to Hobart for a year right after that and then transfer the Wesleyan. I mean the player of the year season. You want to talk about the numbers that will steal out put up at Salve Regina, how about a one, five, eight and nine, all those same percentages to what Nate Miller asked, but in college. And we'll see native bad to this year and see if I'm sure I'll put up the same, same type safe percentages. But yeah, that's that's what all and Wesleyan too. So you know, Um, as you said, nest cacmeal, that's a smart school. You have a pretty loaded curriculum, class class load too. So being able to balance both of those and produce numbers like that, that is a job well done. And I'll I'm not gonna say that I did this intentionally, but this kind of all transitions well into Jackson Bernard, because what I think, what I think Welch Tala and then sets tack and then Bernard all show is that yes, at times their apple court numbers didn't look as good as they possibly could have, right, but they were. They were clearly talented enough to be recognized that the schools that they ended up at, wose with with salve a, and then Um setstack at Wesleyan and Bernard at Adrian. That if you want to tell me, in a few years from now, talking about bets again, Um, that Bernard helps lead Adrian to another division three national title puts up huge numbers, they're like, I would not be surprised. Right, same with you guys. Absolutely, and that's uh, what was it that you told us? Is it Tor Cruz? Probably the coaches, that Adrian is Tory cruise but the coaches there. Yes, I was gonna say it's interesting how you brought up with Bernard's numbers. How maybe if you look at the goals against average they don't look as good, but you look at the safe percentage, is pretty up there. Yeah, I say the same thing about tim set stack. It looks like his goals against average is also a bit north of four, but his safe percentage was around like nine. So you have these goaltenders where they face a high volume of shots but they're still up to the task and they always give their teams the chance to win. And of course Bernard's season this year actually ended with team Maryland. There is that trade late in the year.

I mean when he goes down there and in his first start with team Maryland, shuts out the little fires in Aston Pennsylvania. Three nothing. I know I said that last week and we don't swear on this podcast, but I'm sure mark cashtron's the first reaction was Oh, bleep, like what, like what just happened? Because we've touched on the south division all year long, right like like he he just added to it, and I said when he goes off to Adrian I gotta actually pull up what they did this past year is speaking of wagons, that was one of the yeah, I know right. That was one of those, uh, one of those big like trade notifications that we all kind of flipped up, one of the bigger ones in the last few years with our trade deadline. We might have to work that in this year. Boys, a little trade deadline special can I? Can I talk about myself for a second? Yeah. So, so when is the trade deadline typically? Oh, this is the trade deadline. Typically is around feathery. Yeah, when my wife is currently due to give our birth to our first child. So don't follow me around special media. So, like I really said to Vicky there to night, I go what if, like, because she knows like we're going. We're touching on a lot of teams right now and I'm sure you know Lenny. Lenny gets to as well. But like Um bills and the bony loves the trade deadline like he eat it up right. So like, like I could be up till midnight in the hospital of trade deadline night just working through moves this year. Like it. It's it's a pretty phone. The other it's a pretty it's a pretty distinct possibility, but I know you're in the hospital right now, but I'm about to finalize the four teams, three, you know, you know our friends D H L Chris on that, to Neil, to hi, who's gonna make a blockbuster trade? Three team deal, a couple of guys getting at cash considerations, future draft picks, right at right, at that moment, right. So players everything. But speaking of wagons, but as they say, as they say jeff and Anthony, we will across that bridge when we get there. So congratulations. Thank you, thank you again. Congratulations again. He did share maybe some private infront with us. was that last week, two weeks ago, at the PODCAST, Jeff? As you know, for me, dates all blend together, so I don't even know what took place. So lost. We all lost me and nately lost it. So, but for Bernard, he's going off to Adrian, who just won the division three national title this year. Um, I mean what they did this past season. You kind of have to have their schedule put up. For those that can't see at home, obviously this is an exhibition game against the MT D P. So when they go out and they lose the UTICA on opening night in overtime, three, two and then when thirty one straight to win the national title. I think that woke him up, charged him up what like and like on their way to win a national title, they had they beat really good team St Albert Hobart, Oxburg, Tennesseeo twelve, three, seven, four, five, one, five to like wow, Bernard is like probably, like can we do that again? And for those of keeping tracking home that don't know, NT DP is the National Development Team, the USA National Development Team, who's always chuck full of like yes, so, like that's like a division one type team, right, I was just gonna say, proving our point that there needs to be more division one colleges, and I don't know if you just saw the U S C h o article the other day about adding possibly another ten division one colleges, but Um, yeah, Adrian would be one of those that I would put up there. is they could swing the fists with a lot of the Division One hockey teams. I mean, I just for Jackson to be going there too, like that's what makes it awesome, right. So he technically is the first player in Legue history to go direct from the E H L to Adrian, because, I mean they are a de facto division one team like, let's just say it, Jeff, like they like. They are basically a division one school. So I cannot say do you want de facto do you want team? I cannot wait to see what he does there. Um, he technically is the second player and lead history to go there. The first one was an alumni, I don't know if you told us this, from Trevor Koi Kendal, who played for the play with the little fires, uh in sixteen seventeen. So I gotta get myself credit for even knowing. But Um, but back on track. If you guys are good with that, I think you have to start Callinan, and then those three goalies have to be a part of this. Yeah, absolutely. So that gives us four so far. Another team that has um three goalies or in the top...

...ten, right. And then, if you want to get back into top scores, Um, not this past season, obviously, with Calinan, but that quote unquote, Covid, covid a year Michael like he was right there. I was checking out last night. Yeah, I remember, because you were all about me. It was all on the Michael Leavin trade for fantasy and just as a talking point. He was actually kyle was to Kna McKenna, are former beat writer. He was a big Michael leaving fan too. Um. Yeah, he was another speed after burner guy that could just whizz down the ice and do all sorts of good things. And Yeah, good addition, good addition. Yeah, he was a special player anytime he had the puck on his stick. Yet hold your breath, even as the broadcast, which I know I'm not supposed to do, but that's how good a player Levi was. And Games another you must start with guy, of course. Right. Um, I do have to like that year was so hard. I think that we all know like like we never want to go through what that season was again, because just getting through it was the toughest thing ever really, and when you go back and you look at the UH stats from that season, what's still kind of I don't know if I lose sleep over it, but I still always wonder, like for leave, but to finished second in scoring by one point behind your Suda, realized games like and I remember there was there was a game that we had to just straight up cancel and not put back on the schedule just because of what was taking place, and it's like if he had that game. What could have happened? And Yeah, I mean what it's the it's the scoring title, right, like it's not the it's not the end of the world. He still advanced onto human start myth. But I always there's the those a little tidbits that, like you never forget, and for some reason I'll never forget that level was one point behind your Suda. Yeah, I mean they look at that year two. There's eight guys over fifty points and they were all met thirty to thirty five range. And we usually play forty eight games season. So we could had all sorts of sixties, seventy point scores if we were finished. That out nature. The other thing too, with apple core. I think they went what three and something days without playing at the Oh, that's right, brewster, as Tim Moore loves to call it. Yeah, I mean there was like there were so many teams that couldn't play in this ring. Had to play in that right, it was. It was a mess. It was a complete mess. Lumberjacks moved to Waterville Valley. That was yes something. So that gives us five so far. Um, two forwards and three goalies. There are I'm just gonna read some names out loud to think about before I put the first D on this list. Are you guys okay with that? Yeah, sure, some some force to think about. Race Bennett, that was the one that was opening. Mice, Nick Webber, Yep, Definitely, Kyle Warren, Michael Carducci. I don't know if you remember this one, but Danilo Morose, Kobe Walters, Connor, whole some fours to think about, but we have to have at least one d right. So the D for me is easy because I did not know how good he really was until he came to play for our all star team. And this guy was as steady as they came. Ryan leath, and he played, uh, two seasons with the apple cores, seventeen nineteen. Um Again, this is an apple core episode. But Adam Hooley in that eighteen nineteen season was obsessed with Ryan Leaf. He wanted him on the tea on the eighties seven so bad, which which I only bring that up because he made the move for metler this past I'm getting this like his. He would literally text me every day throughout the second half of the season. I need to write shot D. I need Ryan Leaf because he was just so good for that team again played for all star team to face the colleges. Uh is now at Sunny Potstam and he was just rock solid throughout his time with the apple core. Um, he may be the only d that makes it on this list because of just how many scorers there have there have been, but he he was on my list. That's up to you guys, and we've touched a lot about like you know, could you be on two? Could you be on one? To be I don't think we him on the...

...eighties seventh list. Know what I mean? I know he was part of the championship run, but I feel like his time there was so brief. Anthony may be able to argue this more for or more against than I could, um, but I think he belongs in the apple core all time. Lest Anthony, what do you think? He played a hundred and one career games with the apple core. Yeah, that's a tough one and you know it's funny actually, just a quick digression. I actually recently didn't interview with George Weener because he was at the Maccabi Games and if anybody recalls the first episode, I was pretty adamant about putting Tim Lazowski in over weener. So I was like hey, but like sorry. So I think you know with the mettler I have to be careful how I were this. But well, no, just just an emphasis on like like when Nell said, apple core has just had so many talented players where it's nothing against Mettler, just more so with all the other players that apple core has seen over the the past ten or so years, if we're just counting E H L guys. I'm metler is a tremendous defender though, great guy. You know, I'll never forget when because his aunt would go to all the games for the eight seven since the trade, and was telling me how Jimmy's older sister taught him how to skate because his older sister was a figure skater. Jimmy was like I want to do that, you know, ice skating at least, and he just became a really good hockey player. I'm trying to find a goal from the All star classic. Jeff may remember this, where metler picked up the puck like in his own end, went up ice and it was just the loudest slapshot off the post and like bang. I do remember that. You know I'm talking about. Oh I say he was on. He was on Lauren's red team, wasn't he kept the same red color just I don't know if I found it they or not. Is that it? That might be it. These are in the top ten place and I have to figure out which, which play it was. But you know what I'm talking about. Chats like yeah, it was allowed, like it was like allowed goal. No, I might be fighting. I might far hard, I might fight hard forming Butler to get on this list. Guys, goals, sixty three, says, seventy four points a hundred of nineteen games played for the Apple Corps. That's a lot of game. I think that's the key stat right and as a defenseman we've seen that. You Know, defense, next to goaltending, is one of the hardest positions. A guy like Anthony said, a well rounded player that can play up in the zone. He pinches a lot and score. I'm actually surprised only scored eleven goals. I thought it was way more than that. But a lot of apples loves eaton in the produce section, a place very and a really good guy to a really good kid. He was a huge addition to that championship win a eighties seven team and he just fit in really easily with the the good guys on that team. So I think there are a couple of occasions where mettler would beyond the power play for the eight seven's, either quarterbacking or usually would take that right face off circle. And I think there are times where Adam wooly, Matt Kiernan, heck maybe even Connam Nielis, if if he was at the Games, big why isn't Jimmy ripping the Puck from there? Like he has the shot use it. But for Jimmy he just has that I where he he looks for someone, looks for that open lane and we'll just thread the needle to someone else or just hand it off to the top of the point and just let someone else for the puck like that was the kind of player he is. He's a good puck moving defenseman. He can skate very well. It probably doesn't shoot it as much as he should, but it's still just a terrific player. And Jeff, you do bring up a good point that with all the games he has played for apple core and he says he is almost Mr Apple core. Yeah, I would fight for that too. I didn't he I guess you just for get that he came at the end of the eighteen nineteen season. There was some games played our full season in that ninety shortened one, as he's still developing and the defenseman he was. So yeah, I think you know what, we'll Addam to the list. That gives us two forwards, two D and three goalies so far, Um, and only leaves room for three more forwards. And you get a lot more than three tabs open that we just talked about. Up there already up to seven skaters, seven, seven players. I think Barry S Bennett needs to be one of the next ones to Neil. He was another. I just want to make sure that like that are the final three. Do I see Matt Gilroy in there? Yeah, he played somewhere for the apple corep yeah, right here. I mean this is granted this is before the e h l DS, but still the Mac. Really, I'm gonna add so the...

...tabs that are open. Right, I think we can agree that the final three forwards are probably coming from these eight possibilities. Right. So, so not Boston universities, Matt Gilroy, Race Bennett, Nick Webber, Kyle Warren, Michael Carducci, Danilo Moreau's scolby walters, Connor Worley. I forgot about jove her boys, m HM, and because he falls so far down the list because he came late in that sight season. But in te Total Games had thirty seven points. That's huge. So again we need three to round out the top ten. I would argue for a team with as much history as apple core, I think you're better off include bean guys who were there longer. Okay, so sort, sort of in line with including Jimmy Mitler Guy. Yep, Michael Duc. She has to be on this list. Then the silence is is confirming for me while I was reading something too, because I was trying to add up. I was trying to do some addition there. Race Bennett was just under a hundred games too. He was eighty eight games played as an all time core apple. But, as we call them on the show, sometimes, CARDUCCI was. Where did he just go? Just lost? My Tip? You looking for? You looking for games played jeff season, games seven and two more in the postseason. I mean, he he was. I don't know how to say this other the way I want to say it. He was calendar before callingdand my opinion he was. And another guy, like you said, in the season, three points game. That's twenty games less than we usually play. So you had that and he probably has a seventy something point season like Calndan just had with his seventy five this last year. So also, but before we go on to UH, two players nine in ten, can we also just give some honorable mentions to some people who played for Apple Core? Yeah, and you know, guys who might not have like lit up the STATU sheet, but a j Mule A, you know, he played for the eight seven's, got traded to apple core. Just a really, really good kid, always fun to talk to. Probably one of the funniest apple core players I've ever met Joela Chase. He's born in bree like Queens, New York born and born and raised. Uh, we always talked about New York pizza when I talked to Joey La Chase, because we're two Italians, just, you know, shooting the stuff, and he would always talk about new park pizza in Howard beach over in Queens and I was like, Joey, you're trying to get a sponsorship for them or something. He's like, oh no, sometimes I actually worked there. My God, I still have to take him up on his offer. I've got to go to Queens. I've got to go to Howard beach and visit him at New Park Pizza, like, uh yeah, he's another guy that's so fun to talk to off the ice and to hear that he's coming back, I'm excited. So I think that CARDUCCI and vanishouble be on the list right. Um, we gave a shout out. I gave a shout to for boys. Um, I think that another shout out should go to Kobe Walters. I don't know if he's quite top to ten for the games played. If we're doing that, he played, I mean he played of seasons right, like, like going from fifteen points to forty the next year is a hell of a jump. Like I definitely want to give that shout out there for for sure. Um, maybe maybe it could be him. Um, Race Bennett, who plays at Salem state now, actually plays with Connor woolley there at Salem state. Um, wooly came late in the seventeen eighteen season, um, and then had the eighteen nineteen full year. Pretty good two years at Salem state. Fourteen points his first year. Sixteen is his second year, his junior year, because you take away the season in between. Um. But for me, like the name that like I always go back to, was moreau's, mm HMM, like one season, fifty six points, forty one games, one and done in, our huge contributor. See you later out to overseas, playing the Ukraine now,...

...well, not two seasons ago. We didn't play last year. Something clearly happened last year, like they weren't able to play. I don't know what that team is, Jeff. You want to pronounce that team that's getting billy bars, Billa Shirk bomb? Yes, I mean when the Apple Corps brought him in, though. I remember who's the coach in Oh my God, I had his uh, was that Graham? It could have been Graham, but he had mentioned look couple the numbers that he put up in the western states, like the year before. I was like, okay, a hundred and seven points in forty games for the Valencia flyers. Damn three goals, says, yeah, that's pretty damn good. I mean, if you guys are still pushing Nick Webber, though, I mean you want to talk about Um Walter's going from fifteen points his first year to forty a second year? How about from tell? How about from twelve to sixty? Yep, Kyle Warren, I know, isn't playing anymore. He's actually a coaching somewhere in midget. I want to stay now. Um, he was a captain for the applecre that eighteen nineteen season. Um, the year before, uh, seventeen eighteen. You look at those playoff numbers. I remember he literally put the team on his back when they knocked off Wulkes Barre to advance past the first round of the playoffs. So He's actually with the main Noord diks. There you go and h l look at that, the main Noord dicks. We know someone that's going to be scouting for them now. Two people roots. That was another one too. So Morose is a good one too, and I forgot he had Ukrainian roots too. I hope he's doing okay. I don't know we have talked to him in a long time either. Yeah, that hundred and seven points. I know we don't include stops elsewhere, but that just shows you the kind of player he was. M Hmm, bruise chewing out of here. Anthony can pick because because I picked her D Jeff, pick Bennett. Anthony. Can pick somebody else if you feel stronger about somebody else. Tradon totor off man, Anthony never jump is something too, though, to go from fifteen to sixty points. That's just like. Yeah, about this kid, Anthony, I forgot about is he one of the all time league leaders and penalty minutes? Oh Yep, there we go. Do triple digits, triple digits, triple digits. He had a hundred and fifty four pins step, you know, the apple core he's doing. Ted Points at twenty, nine games, two goals, assists. He was a good player when't playing the NA in this past year, going off to buff state with wranglers. Still a healthy h penalty minutes, Jeff Lobsen, yeah, clean up that. Plus, minus, minus, fift team. I gotta clean that up. You know what, Neil, Neil, if we had, if this were a calling show, we would have like Kevin from brewster saying this apple core team needs great we need more players like Drayton totor a calling into W F A. N Look, uh, Jeff, you said it perfectly. You know he's a guy who racked up a lot of penalty minutes, but the fact that he's able to go to the n a. He had a big frame, was physical, not afraid to throw the body around. So he was a good player. You know what, when he wasn't, when he wasn't in the penalty box, see you next week. No, no, and and look, I hope that didn't come off his mean spirited like he's. He's a player where you probably hate so much that you want him on your team, like you just don't want to deal with him as an opponent. You know who, you know who. I totally let's give some more honorable mentions because there's guys that I forgot to mention here. Um, there was one season, I want to say one season of Matt Boring, and no pun intended. Jeff his game was his game was not boring. Put up thirty eight points in seventeen eighteen. Um. I touched on with it with lenny the players that are coming back. I'm sure that he wishes, uh, he could bring John Meyers back, because Myers actually has one more year of junior eligibility. I think he was one of the more underrated players this past season in the e h L. Twenty points and forty five games off the saint as his fault. The one I totally forgot that we should mention an EP pick. Oh my God,...

...is that for a left hook? Yes, so Zach white played for the apple core Um and four and actually played for the brewster bullogs, who with the Met League team in Brewster Ice Arena in thirteen fourteen. Then played apple core fourteen, fifteen, then went to curry college four years and was a captain and is now playing pro in the e c h L. Oh, so that's his picture of the Iowa heartlanders. Look at too. He's doing a little bit everything up there. Fifty one points, forty penalty minutes. Five of those came to that picture right there. Whatever fight that was with whatever that is. I hate to overstep Anthony, but, like I totally forgot, I think this is the Guy Zack white like he look when he did in college. Look at that senior year at car at Kirk. Yeah, like you said, he has that one. He's snuck in there. Fourteen fifteen with the apple core when they transferred from the forty three points. Yeah, if if you're a point per game in the E C H L, fifty one points in fifty two games. Um, I don't think I can disagree with you, Neil. Yeah, I like this. That's an all time best EP picture. Yeah, the pick is definitely another tiebreaker. For for those who cannot see, because this is a podcast, search of Zach White on elite prospects and you will see him taking down someone in a good old matchup of fisticuffs. He has he has no bucky on. The other guy still has his bucky on and white's left arm is sending him to the ice. What did JIM say? Last week they went to McDonald's for all the all the dad joke lovers out there, ourselves included. Neil, that'll be you very soon with the dead jokes. Yes, he loves dad jokes already. He's loved them for years. Pretty Dad, but now they're now they're like real dad jokes. Um, I think this list is pretty damn good. Yeah, I like it all right, so no, read it back. Colin Callanan, Blake, Watch Tala, Tim Sestak, Jackson, Bernard, Michael Leva, Ryan Leath, Jimmy Metler, Michael Carducci, raised Bennett and Zack White. Good mix too, good blend of like some guy's recent some older guys like white and sess Tach Tala. I like it. So so now I'M gonna go. I'm gonna like talk a little future episodes with you guys. Right. So on September five, five weeks, five episodes from now, that's the first day of the season. So we'll be doing our season preview that day, right the week prior September eight. One of the four teams that's left has already requested that day, the Connecticut rough riders. Right. So now over the next three weeks that means we have to cry us off the Spartans, the warriors and the little flyers. So who do you want to go next week? Spartans, Little Flyers, warriors? Keeping my little flyers and rough riders. We are able to their original franchises right because, just like the apple core little flyers came in the very first year. Rough riders were actually playing under a different name that we'll talk about that, but they came in the very first year as well, and same with the warriors. So we have a lot of these original teams left. That's right. Connecticut used to leak oil. We could talk more offline, but we have a lot of good programs. Figure it out. Tough choice we don't want to put anyone on the spot too, but again a great top ten for the New York Apple Corps. Another welcome to Lenny Caglioni for UH coming to the e H L. another I guess. I guess said before him in Dakota. First Time ever we have two former e h show players that are head coaches of E H L teams. So personally I cannot wait for September. So uh, that's it for the apple coreps. We'll talk to you guys next week. See You. Thanks for listening to the show. Learn more at Eastern Hockey League Dot Org and follow us on Facebook, twitter, instagram and Youtube. Also, be sure to subscribe and get notified when next week's PODCAST is released.

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